<< <i>kobe and shaq cant compare to those players now? lmaoooo
iverson? mcgrady? vince carter the so called greatest dunker of all time?
pg-iverson sg kobe sf mcgrady pf duncan c shaq
would of been fun to watch play
pg magic sg jordan sf wilkins pf barkley c hakeem >>
Glad you brought that up. Now who would come off the bench for the present starters? I'll break it down for the older players who's Jordan has played against/with in their prime days.
John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Drexler, Reggie Miller, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, George Gervin, Dale Ellis, Robert Parish, Kevin McHale, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy, Larry Nance, Brad Daugherty, Chris Mullin, Bernard King, Kevin Johnson, Scottie Pippin. Oh and Steve Kerr who holds the 3 point % record.
Who's coming in for Shaq? Elton Brand? Mutombo? Ervin Johnson? Vlade Divac? who?
Hey auto I complete agree with you on the shaq thing. I mean of course he will get his third finals mvp this year look who's guarding him kid. Walton said it best........this is probably the biggest mismatch in finals history
shaq vs todd who? Shaq does not deserve all this credit he is getting for pounding that poor guy todd. If I remember right......tim duncan was whorrin shaq in the spurs series. I'm sorry undertaker, but if kobe didn't bail the lakers out in the spurs series due to shaq being outplayed by duncan we would not even of got out of the 2nd round.
I say give the ball to kobe like in game 3 and make tough shots over jason kidd a real matchup.....not give the ball to shaq and him pound a poo whiteboy who has no chance of guarding him whatsoever.
SHAQ DOES NOT DESERVE THE MVP THIS YEAR
Kobe was leading the lakers in points and assists before games 1 and 2 were kobe took only 15 shots and finally took 23 shots in game 3 and scored 36
it's not fair, but whatever auto you're right.......shaq = being over exposed as the best center ever when he's going up against todd mac
Airhead08 get a life. This board is for sports card trading not boasting about your lover Kobe Bryant. Everyone stop responding to this kid. It's pointless even trying to talk to him. He's got the maturity of a 10 year old and the intellect of a blind cow.
Let's the Moderaters kick him off again once the morning comes. See ya kid.
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ok kobecollector I will let you know when that coin comes.
It's obvious most of you are kobe haters. Stats don't lie and it doesn't take a genius to figure them out. All I ever get from jordan fans is this. Jordan average 37ppg BLAH BLAH they never mention he took 682 more shots and 380+ free throws playing 2 more games than kobe in the same season. You people are blind .......Now the excuse is comp is not good enough? HAHAHAHA
Read the stats carefully again..........
Jordan best season avg 37ppg 86-87 "82 games" "-3,281 minutes-" 1,098-2,279 fieldgoals = 48%" 12-66 3pointers= 18%" 833-972 free throws=85%"total rebounds= 430 assists=377 turnovers= 272
Kobe at age 23" 3,063 minutes" 749-1,597 fieldgoals= 47% 33-132 3pointers= 25% 488-589 free throws= 82% total rebounds=441 assists 438 turnovers= 223
Ok so what do we got here? Yes jordan avg 37, but he didn't have a shaq to share shots with right? As you can see jordan took 682 more shots than kobe playing more minutes. Let's say kobe made half of those 682 shots since he shot 47% throughout the year that's another 682 points right? Ok and heres another thing.....Jordan went to the foul line 383 more times than kobe at the same age. Kobe had more rebounds than jordan at the same age with shaq on his team? WOW imagine if shaq wasn't on kobe's team?? shaq averages 10 rebounds per game. Kobe had more 61 more assists than jordan and 49 less turnovers at the same age. Ok yes kobe has shaq, but if you look at kobe's stats without shaq his points, assists, and rebs all went up with his shooting % staying the same. If you think i'm lying please go to nba.com and get these stats yourself i'm only exposing the truth!!! One thing is for certain-- Kobe could careless about jordan's petty 37ppg, because he never won a championship doing it. So kobe could easily avg 37 and lose just as easy as jordan did it and I just proved it with the stats.
<< <i>Hey auto I complete agree with you on the shaq thing. I mean of course he will get his third finals mvp this year look who's guarding him kid. Walton said it best........this is probably the biggest mismatch in finals history
shaq vs todd who? Shaq does not deserve all this credit he is getting for pounding that poor guy todd. If I remember right......tim duncan was whorrin shaq in the spurs series. I'm sorry undertaker, but if kobe didn't bail the lakers out in the spurs series due to shaq being outplayed by duncan we would not even of got out of the 2nd round.
I say give the ball to kobe like in game 3 and make tough shots over jason kidd a real matchup.....not give the ball to shaq and him pound a poo whiteboy who has no chance of guarding him whatsoever.
SHAQ DOES NOT DESERVE THE MVP THIS YEAR
Kobe was leading the lakers in points and assists before games 1 and 2 were kobe took only 15 shots and finally took 23 shots in game 3 and scored 36
it's not fair, but whatever auto you're right.......shaq = being over exposed as the best center ever when he's going up against todd mac >>
yes or course auto, because he #1 option. Kobe rarely is even looking for his shot which was displayed in games 1 and 2 of the finals.
READ THIS AGAIN THOUGH AUTO......If kobe was taking iversons shots on his own team......imagine what he would avg kid......He might lose, but he sure in the hell would scoring champ
Ok people I will be short with this guy. I give him his lead the league in steals stat, but just look at this guys stats compared to kobe's people. First off-------- He played 441 minutes less than kobe and yet he took 102 more shots? WOW heres another way to look at it.......Iverson playing in 20 less games than kobe bryant took 102 MORE shots!!! wow!!!!! Here's the catch people......kobe still made 84 MORE field goals! Ahhh I love this part people.......Iverson playing in 20 less games still managed to turn the ball over 14 more times than kobe. WOW I just had enough already not to mention this guy got to the line 585 times .....3 less than kobe playing 20 less games. So with all this done and said and can't be provin otherwise WHO IS THE REAL ANSWER? Put kobe out east being #1 option and you have who? With my final thought about iverson!! I would love to say this............KOBE ,SHAQ, AND THE REST OF THE LAKERS DON'T CARE about petty individual awards~ THEY CARE ABOUT WINNING TITLES NOT REGULAR SEASON MVP AND SCORING TITLES!
hmmmmmmm... well after reading all this... well... crap... leads to 1 conclusion: none of you can read the future. You can debate on anything... but only time will tell. MJ has proven what he could do and has done... and only time will tell if Kobe Bryant can do the same. You can say what if all you want... what if kobe took as many shots... what if kobe didnt have shaq... what if kobe this and that... but only time will tell what will happen.
haha SHAQ is the man in LA. Replace Kobe with Baron Davis, Lakers would still win championships. Replace Shaq with any center in the NBA, Lakers wouldn't make it past the first round of playoffs (if they even make it).
lmmao Imagine Shaq not being there, imagine Shaq averaging your average good center figures: 18 points, 10 boards, 2 blocks in the Finals, Lakers would be DOWN 2-1! Kobe played w/o balls in Staples the first 2 games, while Shaq was averaging 38 points, 15 boards, 5 assists and 3 blocks a game, YOU DON'T CALL THOSE MVP FIGURES!? lmao!
Break it down like this...Kobe has soon to be 3 championship rings..Rings are the ultimate prize in the NBA so give him his props for earning 3 at such a young age..BUT a championship is a TEAM reward for a TEAM achievement..Let's talk inividual acheivement..
Iverson: 96'97 Rookie of the year 97' All star rookie game MVP 98'99 NBA Scoring champion 00'01 All Star MVP 00'01 League MVP 01'02 Scoring Champion 01'02 League Leader in steals
Kobe: ?
Until Kobe can get out of Shaq's shadow and earn something totally on his own he's not gonna get the respect your looking for him to...Talk stats all you want,Who takes more shots,Who plays more minutes etc..The fact is Awards speak for themselves and Kobe is an outstanding player.But show me one,Just one award he's earned totally on his own?,Without the help of Shaq and or his team mates
is kobe wanted his them vp or a scoring title idiot. He would leave the lakers and go solo.
Do you think he cares?
kobe no accomplishments?
1. yougest allstar starter 2. leads all allstars in scoring ppg 3. all defesive team since age 20 4. nba all first team 5. 3 rings 6. all star mvp 7. slam dunk title
Face it iversonfan!! Iverson stats are horrible compared to kobe's.
undertaker...who is guarding shaq? Was tim duncan whorrin shaq yes or no? How many shots did kobe take in the finals the first two games idiot?
Put baron davis with shaq? Fine put duncan with kobe and u got yourself a deal
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<< <i>kobe and shaq cant compare to those players now? lmaoooo
iverson? mcgrady? vince carter the so called greatest dunker of all time?
pg-iverson sg kobe sf mcgrady pf duncan c shaq
would of been fun to watch play
pg magic sg jordan sf wilkins pf barkley c hakeem >>
Glad you brought that up. Now who would come off the bench for the present starters? I'll break it down for the older players who's Jordan has played against/with in their prime days.
John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Drexler, Reggie Miller, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, George Gervin, Dale Ellis, Robert Parish, Kevin McHale, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy, Larry Nance, Brad Daugherty, Chris Mullin, Bernard King, Kevin Johnson, Scottie Pippin. Oh and Steve Kerr who holds the 3 point % record.
Who's coming in for Shaq? Elton Brand? Mutombo? Ervin Johnson? Vlade Divac? who?
shaq vs todd who? Shaq does not deserve all this credit he is getting for pounding that poor guy todd. If I remember right......tim duncan was whorrin shaq in the spurs series. I'm sorry undertaker, but if kobe didn't bail the lakers out in the spurs series due to shaq being outplayed by duncan we would not even of got out of the 2nd round.
I say give the ball to kobe like in game 3 and make tough shots over jason kidd a real matchup.....not give the ball to shaq and him pound a poo whiteboy who has no chance of guarding him whatsoever.
SHAQ DOES NOT DESERVE THE MVP THIS YEAR
Kobe was leading the lakers in points and assists before games 1 and 2 were kobe took only 15 shots and finally took 23 shots in game 3 and scored 36
it's not fair, but whatever auto you're right.......shaq = being over exposed as the best center ever when he's going up against todd mac
Airhead08 get a life. This board is for sports card trading not boasting about your lover Kobe Bryant. Everyone stop responding to this kid. It's pointless even trying to talk to him. He's got the maturity of a 10 year old and the intellect of a blind cow.
Let's the Moderaters kick him off again once the morning comes. See ya kid.
It's obvious most of you are kobe haters. Stats don't lie and it doesn't take a genius to figure them out. All I ever get from jordan fans is this. Jordan average 37ppg BLAH BLAH they never mention he took 682 more shots and 380+ free throws playing 2 more games than kobe in the same season. You people are blind .......Now the excuse is comp is not good enough? HAHAHAHA
Read the stats carefully again..........
Jordan best season avg 37ppg 86-87 "82 games" "-3,281 minutes-" 1,098-2,279 fieldgoals = 48%" 12-66 3pointers= 18%" 833-972 free throws=85%"total rebounds= 430 assists=377 turnovers= 272
Kobe at age 23" 3,063 minutes" 749-1,597 fieldgoals= 47% 33-132 3pointers= 25% 488-589 free throws= 82%
total rebounds=441 assists 438 turnovers= 223
Ok so what do we got here? Yes jordan avg 37, but he didn't have a shaq to share shots with right? As you can see jordan took 682 more shots than kobe playing more minutes. Let's say kobe made half of those 682 shots since he shot 47% throughout the year that's another 682 points right? Ok and heres another thing.....Jordan went to the foul line 383 more times than kobe at the same age. Kobe had more rebounds than jordan at the same age with shaq on his team? WOW imagine if shaq wasn't on kobe's team?? shaq averages 10 rebounds per game. Kobe had more 61 more assists than jordan and 49 less turnovers at the same age. Ok yes kobe has shaq, but if you look at kobe's stats without shaq his points, assists, and rebs all went up with his shooting % staying the same. If you think i'm lying please go to nba.com and get these stats yourself i'm only exposing the truth!!! One thing is for certain-- Kobe could careless about jordan's petty 37ppg, because he never won a championship doing it. So kobe could easily avg 37 and lose just as easy as jordan did it and I just proved it with the stats.
<< <i>Hey auto I complete agree with you on the shaq thing. I mean of course he will get his third finals mvp this year look who's guarding him kid. Walton said it best........this is probably the biggest mismatch in finals history
shaq vs todd who? Shaq does not deserve all this credit he is getting for pounding that poor guy todd. If I remember right......tim duncan was whorrin shaq in the spurs series. I'm sorry undertaker, but if kobe didn't bail the lakers out in the spurs series due to shaq being outplayed by duncan we would not even of got out of the 2nd round.
I say give the ball to kobe like in game 3 and make tough shots over jason kidd a real matchup.....not give the ball to shaq and him pound a poo whiteboy who has no chance of guarding him whatsoever.
SHAQ DOES NOT DESERVE THE MVP THIS YEAR
Kobe was leading the lakers in points and assists before games 1 and 2 were kobe took only 15 shots and finally took 23 shots in game 3 and scored 36
it's not fair, but whatever auto you're right.......shaq = being over exposed as the best center ever when he's going up against todd mac >>
Actually, Shaq has been doing it all season.
READ THIS AGAIN THOUGH AUTO......If kobe was taking iversons shots on his own team......imagine what he would avg kid......He might lose, but he sure in the hell would scoring champ
iverson = 60 games "2,622 minutes played" 665-1,669fieldgoals = 39% 78-268 3pointers=29%" turnovers= 237
Ok people I will be short with this guy. I give him his lead the league in steals stat, but just look at this guys stats compared to kobe's people. First off-------- He played 441 minutes less than kobe and yet he took 102 more shots? WOW heres another way to look at it.......Iverson playing in 20 less games than kobe bryant took 102 MORE shots!!! wow!!!!! Here's the catch people......kobe still made 84 MORE field goals! Ahhh I love this part people.......Iverson playing in 20 less games still managed to turn the ball over 14 more times than kobe. WOW I just had enough already not to mention this guy got to the line 585 times .....3 less than kobe playing 20 less games. So with all this done and said and can't be provin otherwise WHO IS THE REAL ANSWER? Put kobe out east being #1 option and you have who? With my final thought about iverson!! I would love to say this............KOBE ,SHAQ, AND THE REST OF THE LAKERS DON'T CARE about petty individual awards~ THEY CARE ABOUT WINNING TITLES NOT REGULAR SEASON MVP AND SCORING TITLES!
none of you can read the future. You can debate on anything... but only time will tell. MJ has proven what he could do and has done... and only time will tell if Kobe Bryant can do the same. You can say what if all you want... what if kobe took as many shots... what if kobe didnt have shaq... what if kobe this and that... but only time will tell what will happen.
lmmao
Imagine Shaq not being there, imagine Shaq averaging your average good center figures: 18 points, 10 boards, 2 blocks in the Finals, Lakers would be DOWN 2-1! Kobe played w/o balls in Staples the first 2 games, while Shaq was averaging 38 points, 15 boards, 5 assists and 3 blocks a game, YOU DON'T CALL THOSE MVP FIGURES!? lmao!
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Iverson:
96'97 Rookie of the year
97' All star rookie game MVP
98'99 NBA Scoring champion
00'01 All Star MVP
00'01 League MVP
01'02 Scoring Champion
01'02 League Leader in steals
Kobe:
?
Until Kobe can get out of Shaq's shadow and earn something totally on his own he's not gonna get the respect your looking for him to...Talk stats all you want,Who takes more shots,Who plays more minutes etc..The fact is Awards speak for themselves and Kobe is an outstanding player.But show me one,Just one award he's earned totally on his own?,Without the help of Shaq and or his team mates
Do you think he cares?
kobe no accomplishments?
1. yougest allstar starter
2. leads all allstars in scoring ppg
3. all defesive team since age 20
4. nba all first team
5. 3 rings
6. all star mvp
7. slam dunk title
Face it iversonfan!! Iverson stats are horrible compared to kobe's.
undertaker...who is guarding shaq? Was tim duncan whorrin shaq yes or no? How many shots did kobe take in the finals the first two games idiot?
Put baron davis with shaq? Fine put duncan with kobe and u got yourself a deal