was jordan really better than kobe at the same age? stats to prove it"READ"

ilovecoins

Jordan best season avg 37ppg 86-87 "82 games" "-3,281 minutes-" 1,098-2,279 fieldgoals = 48%" 12-66 3pointers= 18%" 833-972 free throws=85%"total rebounds= 430 assists=377 turnovers= 272

Kobe at age 23" 3,063 minutes" 749-1,597 fieldgoals= 47% 33-132 3pointers= 25% 488-589 free throws= 82%
total rebounds=441 assists 438 turnovers= 223

Ok so what do we got here? Yes jordan avg 37, but he didn't have a shaq to share shots with right? As you can see jordan took 682 more shots than kobe playing more minutes. Let's say kobe made half of those 682 shots since he shot 47% throughout the year that's another 682 points right? Ok and heres another thing.....Jordan went to the foul line 383 more times than kobe at the same age. Kobe had more rebounds than jordan at the same age with shaq on his team? WOW imagine if shaq wasn't on kobe's team?? shaq averages 10 rebounds per game. Kobe had more 61 more assists than jordan and 49 less turnovers at the same age. Ok yes kobe has shaq, but if you look at kobe's stats without shaq his points, assists, and rebs all went up with his shooting % staying the same. If you think i'm lying please go to nba.com and get these stats yourself i'm only exposing the truth!!! One thing is for certain-- Kobe could careless about jordan's petty 37ppg, because he never won a championship doing it. So kobe could easily avg 37 and lose just as easy as jordan did it and I just proved it with the stats.

p.s I'm not finished iverson fans.

iverson = 60 games "2,622 minutes played" 665-1,669fieldgoals = 39% 78-268 3pointers=29%" turnovers= 237

Ok people I will be short with this guy. I give him his lead the league in steals stat, but just look at this guys stats compared to kobe's people. First off-------- He played 441 minutes less than kobe and yet he took 102 more shots? WOW heres another way to look at it.......Iverson playing in 20 less games than kobe bryant took 102 MORE shots!!! wow!!!!! Here's the catch people......kobe still made 84 MORE field goals! Ahhh I love this part people.......Iverson playing in 20 less games still managed to turn the ball over 14 more times than kobe. WOW I just had enough already not to mention this guy got to the line 585 times .....3 less than kobe playing 20 less games. So with all this done and said and can't be provin otherwise WHO IS THE REAL ANSWER? Put kobe out east being #1 option and you have who? With my final thought about iverson!! I would love to say this............KOBE ,SHAQ, AND THE REST OF THE LAKERS DON'T CARE about petty individual awards~ THEY CARE ABOUT WINNING TITLES NOT REGULAR SEASON MVP AND SCORING TITLES!

p.s.s to all the tmac fans~ Tmac don't have kobe's speed or handles. Kobe avg tmac's stats being 2nd option. Tmac's stats were down when grant hill was playing. Remember this......the raptors made the playoffs without "vince carter" so a team with "tracy mcgrady "should make the playoffs right? Don't give me the -he carried our team to the playoffs crap........Yeah carried you right out of the first round talking smack about a better overall player "BARON DAVIS" who in the heck do the hornets have? The diffrence between kobe and mcgrady is this........Tmac blames his team when they lose kobe blames himself.

O'Neal had this to say about Bryant: "He's the best player in this league. The scary thing about that is he doesn't think he is and he wants to get better, and he will get better."

O'Neal decided yesterday that there is only one thing lacking in Bryant's game. "I think sometimes he needs more room to operate," the big man said.

Hondo

please..... comparing anyone to jordan is absurd!! He is and always will be in a class of his own.



THe above statement is not an opinion.... it is a fact

ilovecoins

Ahhh looks like you didn't take the time to read did you hondo? Stats don't lie! Learn how to read


The above stats are on nba.com. Hondo you remind of all those poor people who thought black and white t.v was the best ever and there would never be anything better..........Poor poor hondo

Something and someone always comes out better sooner or later hondo. It's called evolution of man buddy.

ilya

hmm, are you saying Kobe culd average 10 boards per game or something?
ok ok whatever
i guess so could Bonzi in Portland if Sheed and Davis weren't playing

you're dumb dude

ok Kobe hsa more assists. jeez, give the ball to Shaq, it's not tough
Less turnovers - he plays a lot less PG that Jordan also..

ilya

oh yeh, i believe that was Jordan's 2nd year?
and it's Kobe's what, 5th??

ilovecoins

Nah that was jordans third year, his best year avg 37 points. Don't you forget kobe came out of high school ilya. Kobe plays less point guard than jordan? When did jordan play point guard? Kobe brings the ball up for l.a all year buddy.

Ilya it's kinda funny you don't say anything about iversons pathetic stats compared to kobe! I would love to hear the excuse why iverson took over 100 more shots than kobe playing 20 LESS GAMES ILYA!!!!!!

ilya

why dont i say anything about Iverson?

maybe, you moron, i know that Kobe is a better overall player? how about that?
oh why did he take more shots? who else would you give the ball too? Claxton? Snow? Coleman? Harpring? ok if pick those, you're dumb! lol


ok, Jordan's 3rd year, sorry i'm not obsessed with him..

oh yeh, i believe Fisher is their PG... and i believe he is the one bringing the ball up most of the time.
Jordan and Pippen did it a LOT for Chicago, just like harper did when he was there

ilovecoins

ilya by the way..kobe averaged more assists without shaq moron. Did you forget the 15 assists 11 rebs he had on jordans wizards? Or the 11 assists 10 rebs he had vs the sixers without shaq on xmas? He can dish and rebound boy....

I never said he could average 10 rebs, but he could avg more than 5.5 without shaq thats for sure.

autobilia

Ok, but how many Legends is Kobe going up against? Jordan came up with all the HOFers (Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Magic, Larry Bird, Dr. J, Clyde Drexler, George Gervin, Hakeem Olajuwon, etc.) Who is Kobe's competition?

ilya

true that auto

btw, i believe others had triple doubles too this year
oh yeah, Jason Kidd had one on LA the other night!

btw, Jordan isn't himself anymore

ilovecoins

man I see you don't watch games. Kobe brings the ball up for l.a son. Ask phil jackson. Phil even said kobe handles the ball alot more than jordan ever did.

Iverson can give the ball to mutombo ..mutombo use to avg atleast 20 ppg before he went to the sixers. Coleman can score when ivo gives him the ball.

102 more shots playing 20 less games is ridiclious.

awaltz

What a good person to argue SPORTS with. "ilovecoins"....BWAHAHAHA, fight the battles in your own COIN forum!!

ilya

actually i watch LA games all the time if they're on TV, but once again, i'm not a kobe's-nuts-lover so i dont follow him as much

alright, well maybe he does bring it up, ok... woo hoo

btw, Jordan averaged 6.4 RPG, and 5.4 APG..88-89 he averaged 8 board and 8 assists per game also..

IversonMiles

but no one mentions jason kidd....la would still be awesome w/ kobe...look what kidd did wit the nets compared to what jordan did the the wuz...kidd took em tothe finals...jordan made em a 500 team!

ilya

until Kobe can win as much as he does now w/o the best center in the league, lets not talk about this

ilovecoins

auto- I see you can't say nothing about the stats kid. Was magic a hall of famer back then? Was hakeem? Was clyde? I'm sorry, but when jordan was 23 none of those players were hall of famers yet. NONE

So auto......Kobe is playing agaisnt who? Didn't he play reggie miller in the finals? Reggie future hall of famer? Didn't kobe beat iverson without shaq on nbc? That's not a hall of famer though someday right? Hmmm kobe leading the lakers vs the spurs without shaq? Tim duncan and david robinson are not hall of famers right? Kobe 7-0 vs tmac outscored him every game they've played. Tmac maybe one day a hall of famer? I can go on and on and on baby

IversonMiles

but no one mentions jason kidd....la would still be awesome w/ kobe...look what kidd did wit the nets compared to what jordan did the the wuz...kidd took em tothe finals...jordan made em a 500 team!

Hondo

Good point auto. Overall NBA players talent wise has declined since the late 80's / early-mid 90's.

Kobe is a GREAT player and probably one of the best overall in the game right now, but a Jordan he will NEVER be. You can talk stats all you want. I do believe Jerry West averaged a triple double one full year that he played and will more than likely be the only player to EVER do that so He MUST be the best player ever.... heh?? ANd as for us poor old people living in our run down trailors and sh!ttin in our outhouses we just dont have the access to NBA.com to tell us who the best player ever is

ilovecoins

wow 1.4 more rebs than kobe? and kobe has shaq to take those boards from him? You don't think kobe could avg 1.4 more rebs without shaq man?

I'm comparing at the same age not the 88-89 season boy.

Until this kid wins on his own? When was jordan winning titles on his own ilya? WHEN was jordan winning titles until the age of 29 ilya? Kobe could still be losing right now and have 6 more years to try and win a title kid.

ilya

who on 76ers can guard Kobe?
what about on Spurs? i guess Duncan can stop him inside...

Kobe playing against reggie? is Reggie a great defender?

ilya

LMAO ilovecoins

i guess you never heard of Rodman?


btw, Hondo, i totally agree! (it wasn't west, however, it was robertson).
stats dont mnean much
look at MJ this year. his stats weren't great, some of the worst for his career, but look waht he did for the team

ilovecoins

hondo I never once said kobe will be michael jordan. I don't want him to be the gambler, cheating on his wife guy that jordan is.

But to say that kobe WILL "never" be better than jordan is like saying there will never be color t.v when black and white was around.

I know you're probably over 28 hondo and you love and grew up watching mj and all, but someday somebody will pass his glory.

Kobe? Who knows who cares someone will though.

sonicsfan

Here we go again with the "WHO'S BETTER" comments
We'll, I'll add to that

BTW, MJ was better than Kobe when they were in there first 3 years, but Kobe still has many more years to come, never know what will happen if Shaq goes

Wilt Chamberlain has to be the best of all-time by his stats'

Wilts rookie year- 37.6 ppg; 27.0 rpg
Wilts NBA Finals rebound record- 41 rebounds
2 Championship Rings (Lakers and Sixers)
Best Seasonal stat- 50.4ppg
Scored 100 points
Scored 50 or more points in one game 118 times
All-Time rebounding stat- 22.9rpg

Hondo

naw pretty sure jerry west did

donniebaseball23

dude your such an idiot magic johnson was hall of fame material starting from his first year man he was NBA Finals MVP his Rookie year stepped in for wilt as center scored something like 40 points in the final game

do you follow basketball?

Hondo

just turned 22 last wednesday

ilya

nope, Oscar Robertson was the firts one to ever do that since they actually counted rebounds AND assists

ilya

<< <i>dude your such an idiot magic johnson was hall of fame material starting from his first year man he was NBA Finals MVP his Rookie year stepped in for wilt as center scored something like 40 points in the final game

do you follow basketball? >>



he stepped in for Jabaar

donniebaseball23

i know

i got wilt on the brain ever since i got his auto

ilovecoins

we'll to ya mj fans here ya go

READ THE STATS!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT YOUR HEARTS

Kobe at age 23= 8,000+ points, 3 rings, 75 playoff wins, allstar mvp, all defensive team since age 20, youngest allstar starter ever, leads the allstar game in points per game over jordan, all nba first team, 56 points in 3 quarters of play.

jordan at age 23= 2,000+ points, 0 rings, 1 playoff win, uhm yeah that's about it

As you see kobe is way more accomplished than jordan was at the same age.

PERIOD

ilya

Different eras, different teams, different oponents..

just like comparing Shaq to McGrady

autobilia

<< <i>auto- I see you can't say nothing about the stats kid. Was magic a hall of famer back then? Was hakeem? Was clyde? I'm sorry, but when jordan was 23 none of those players were hall of famers yet. NONE

So auto......Kobe is playing agaisnt who? Didn't he play reggie miller in the finals? Reggie future hall of famer? Didn't kobe beat iverson without shaq on nbc? That's not a hall of famer though someday right? Hmmm kobe leading the lakers vs the spurs without shaq? Tim duncan and david robinson are not hall of famers right? Kobe 7-0 vs tmac outscored him every game they've played. Tmac maybe one day a hall of famer? I can go on and on and on baby >>



Look how old Reggie is. David Robinson about to retire. Jordan played against these players in their prime. Kobe has weak competitiors. Rodman was a better rebounder than Shaq. Now Shaq looks dominate with no competition. And yes, Magic was HOF material back then. Remember, he and Larry Bird went head to head in the championship. Let's name players then and compare them to the players of today. Jordan played against these greats in their prime.

Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Reggie Miller, David Robinson, Clyde Drexler, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, Dominique Wilkins, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, and the list goes on....

Competition is VERY weak compared to back then which is why basketball isn't as popular as it use to be.

ilovecoins

ILYA YAH MAKE NO SENSE BOY.....DIFFRENT ERA'S AND MOST OF KOBES STATS ARE STILL BETTER THAN JORDANS AT THE SAME AGE.

THE GAME HAD NO ZONE DEFENSE BACK IN THE 80'S TEAM USE TO SCORE MORE POINTS IN THE 80'S

ZONE DEFENSE HURTS YOUR SHOOTING % ASK IVERSON

SO KOBE STILL DID WHAT MJ DID PLAYING IN ZONE DEFENSE?

Hondo

how many points did jordan have after his 6th year in the league? cant compare by age dude.

autobilia

<< <i>wow 1.4 more rebs than kobe? and kobe has shaq to take those boards from him? You don't think kobe could avg 1.4 more rebs without shaq man?

I'm comparing at the same age not the 88-89 season boy.

Until this kid wins on his own? When was jordan winning titles on his own ilya? WHEN was jordan winning titles until the age of 29 ilya? Kobe could still be losing right now and have 6 more years to try and win a title kid. >>



Without Shaq, Kobe couldn't win a championship. Jordan has done it without a dominant center. Let's see.. Jordan had Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, Bill Cartwright.......... yes... household names.

donniebaseball23

exactly hondo thats what i was about to say

autobilia

<< <i>we'll to ya mj fans here ya go

READ THE STATS!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT YOUR HEARTS

Kobe at age 23= 8,000+ points, 3 rings, 75 playoff wins, allstar mvp, all defensive team since age 20, youngest allstar starter ever, leads the allstar game in points per game over jordan, all nba first team, 56 points in 3 quarters of play.

jordan at age 23= 2,000+ points, 0 rings, 1 playoff win, uhm yeah that's about it

As you see kobe is way more accomplished than jordan was at the same age.

PERIOD >>



Look at Kobe's competition. People say the Eastern Conference is weak. There was no weak conference when Jordan played.

ilovecoins

COMP IS WEAK NOW?

iverson, mcgrady , vince carter, jason kidd, kevin garnett, tim duncan, cwebb, shaq, ray allen, paul peirce, walker, ben wallace, kobe,

u going to tell me those players dint match up to who you said auto? cmon now bro

ilovecoins

hondo how many more shots did jordan take than kobe idiot? thats the real question has nothing to do with age.

ilovecoins

lmao auto!! who had a chance to actually beat the bulls son? Byron russel was jordans biggest defender in the finals yes or no?

do you know what kobe would do to byron russel one on one? CMON NOW

Plus you're comparing jordan to kobe when jordan was already in his prime kid. Kobe is 23.........jordan was not winning titles by himself at age 23.....all i'm saying is kobe could easily do what mj did and lose like mj did until the age of 29.

sonicsfan

<< <i>dude your such an idiot magic johnson was hall of fame material starting from his first year man he was NBA Finals MVP his Rookie year stepped in for wilt as center scored something like 40 points in the final game

do you follow basketball? >>



what up? I was talkin bout STATISTICS... not how he stepped up in a game...
Hell, he like almost averaged a triple double, not in one season, but almost career till he got older... this man was like 7 foot 3 too... respect the funk days

ilovecoins

and since u cant compare by age hondo.....don't be a hypocrite now.

Kobe at age 23= 8,000+ points, 3 rings, 75 playoff wins, allstar mvp, all defensive team since age 20, youngest allstar starter ever, leads the allstar game in points per game over jordan, all nba first team, 56 points in 3 quarters of play.

jordan at age 23= 2,000+ points, 0 rings, 1 playoff win, uhm yeah that's about it

ilya

differnet eras, etc = weaker competition

everyone would agree

i'm out

autobilia

<< <i>COMP IS WEAK NOW?

iverson, mcgrady , vince carter, jason kidd, kevin garnett, tim duncan, cwebb, shaq, ray allen, paul peirce, walker, ben wallace, kobe,

u going to tell me those players dint match up to who you said auto? cmon now bro >>



umm.. Shaq is on his team and why would Kobe play with himself? None of those players can touch the competition in the 80's.

sonicsfan

MJ and Kobe takin many shots...
well not like Iverson

Iverson on a daily bases takes at least 25 + shots, mostly around 30
and only shoots like 30 %... u can get John Stockton in there and he'll shoot better than that...
lmmfao

AI3TheAnswer

Lmao, You guys do know this is AirKobe08 aka Bballguru,aka KobeOwnshishaters,aka etc...


Just a toned down version after all the spankings he took from the mods..He'll deny it,But it's him..So you know your just talking to a brick wall

ilovecoins

kobe and shaq cant compare to those players now? lmaoooo


iverson? mcgrady? vince carter the so called greatest dunker of all time?

pg-iverson sg kobe sf mcgrady pf duncan c shaq

would of been fun to watch play

pg magic sg jordan sf wilkins pf barkley c hakeem

ilovecoins

ai3 the answer wasup? Are you going to deny the facts about iverson shooting 102 more shots than kobe playing 20 less games bro? Kobe still made 84 more shots kid.

explain it or deny iy ai3theanswer.....IT'S UP TO YOU KID

ilovecoins

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IVERSON, MCGRADY, VINCE CARTER OR KOBE WILL BECOME........ SO TO COMPARE ALREADY HALL OF FAMERS TO PLAYERS WHO HAVEN'T EVEN REACHED THERE PRIME YET IS RIDICLIOUS AUTO

sonicsfan

ilovecoins- naw... not hakeem the C'
PG- Jerry West
SG-M Jordan
SF-M Johnson (even though he was SG/PG, but he could rebound, so SF)
PF- ? have to think ?
C- Wilt Chamberlain

Maybe down the road, Kobe, V Carter, K Garnett and some more guys will be in that list

ilovecoins

SONICS FAN I DIDNT KNOW WILT CHAMBERLIN WAS IN THE 80'S OR JERRY WEST