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2018 Proof Gold Eagles - household limit 1

MACGE1MACGE1 Posts: 269 ✭✭✭
edited February 20, 2018 8:38AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Did anyone else notice that the mint has assigned mintages to all options of the Proof Gold eagles this year? They’ve also added a HH limit of 1 per product. With the current premium on Proof Gold I wonder why the mint thinks that this is a good idea.

@BackroadJunkie you’re asleep at the wheel ;)

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,682 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't see any 2018's on their website, but they're still trying to sell 2016, 2017 AGE proofs.

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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2018 8:05AM

    I see 'em, March 1, 2018.

  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MACGE1 said:
    Did anyone else notice that the mint has assigned mintages to all options of the Proof Gold eagles this year? They’ve also added a HH limit of 1 per product. With the current premium on Proof Gold I wonder why the mint thinks that this is a good idea.

    @BackroadJunkie you’re asleep at the wheel ;)

    Well, I gotta admit, I wasn't expecting this. I usually only look if they put the images up. :)

    American Eagle 2018 Gold Proof Four-Coin Set (18EF)
    Product Limit: 18,000
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 9,812

    American Eagle 2018 One Ounce Gold Proof Coin (18EB)
    Product Limit: 25,000
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 8,652

    American Eagle 2018 One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin (18EC)
    Product Limit: 7,100
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 2,383

    American Eagle 2018 One-Quarter Ounce Gold Proof Coin (18ED)
    Product Limit: 7,100
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 4,260

    American Eagle 2018 One-Tenth Ounce Gold Proof Coin (18EE)
    Product Limit: 22,000
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 11,163

    Given the 2017 sales, this probably isn't anything to get excited about, but I am surprised at the mintages/HHL's. I'm not sure they've assigned such things before for the AGE...

  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭

    My self assigned Household Order Limit is different. I march to my own drumbeat ... not the US Mints. Sorry if they don't like it.

    My HHL for 2018 Proof AGE 's will be 0. As in ZERO.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,682 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dat's some unusually low mintage numbers.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting... low numbers and HHL's....not many collect AGE's as a series... I did for about twenty plus years... then premiums/prices happened....Cheers, RickO

  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Dat's some unusually low mintage numbers.

    what am I missing? Even though the mintages may seem low, they are double to triple what the 2017 sales were for the similar items. Why would a "low" mintage be considered anything special if they are still so much higher than recent sales were?

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,682 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanLord said:

    @derryb said:
    Dat's some unusually low mintage numbers.

    what am I missing? Even though the mintages may seem low, they are double to triple what the 2017 sales were for the similar items. Why would a "low" mintage be considered anything special if they are still so much higher than recent sales were?

    low initial mintage numbers are unusual for AGEs regardless of past sales. It's special because it's a first when it comes to AGEs.

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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't take the bait.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2018 1:30PM

    @derryb said:
    Dat's some unusually low mintage numbers.

    Not compared to sales in recent years. Those are some whopping big numbers.

    And it is worth noting that the wholesale premium on proof eagles is down to virtually nothing - $15-25 over spot.

    My recommendation is stay away unless you are a long term hold. Even then, they will likely be cheaper next year on the secondary market. Look at these retail prices on 2016 proofs:

    https://ebay.com/itm/2016-1-10th-Proof-Gold-Eagle-BOX-COA/362221140547?hash=item54560ffa43:g:xDcAAOSw57xaZkrB

    https://ebay.com/itm/2016-W-Four-Coin-Gold-Proof-American-Eagle-1-85oz/202228607158?hash=item2f15c3a8b6:g:tAwAAOSwXY5ZQXEL:sc:UPSGround!14609!US!-1

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BackroadJunkie said:

    @MACGE1 said:
    Did anyone else notice that the mint has assigned mintages to all options of the Proof Gold eagles this year? They’ve also added a HH limit of 1 per product. With the current premium on Proof Gold I wonder why the mint thinks that this is a good idea.

    @BackroadJunkie you’re asleep at the wheel ;)

    Well, I gotta admit, I wasn't expecting this. I usually only look if they put the images up. :)

    American Eagle 2018 Gold Proof Four-Coin Set (18EF)
    Product Limit: 18,000
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 9,812

    American Eagle 2018 One Ounce Gold Proof Coin (18EB)
    Product Limit: 25,000
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 8,652

    American Eagle 2018 One-Half Ounce Gold Proof Coin (18EC)
    Product Limit: 7,100
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 2,383

    American Eagle 2018 One-Quarter Ounce Gold Proof Coin (18ED)
    Product Limit: 7,100
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 4,260

    American Eagle 2018 One-Tenth Ounce Gold Proof Coin (18EE)
    Product Limit: 22,000
    Household Order Limit: 1
    2017 sales: 11,163

    Given the 2017 sales, this probably isn't anything to get excited about, but I am surprised at the mintages/HHL's. I'm not sure they've assigned such things before for the AGE...

    from today:

    Precious Metal Products Precious Metal Products 17EB 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 8,694 02/19/2018
    Precious Metal Products Precious Metal Products 17EC 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 2,402 02/19/2018
    Precious Metal Products Precious Metal Products 17ED 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/4 OZ 4,285 02/19/2018
    Precious Metal Products Precious Metal Products 17EF 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 9,812 02/19/2018

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    latest entry I could find:

    Precious Metal Products 17EE 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 11,163 11/05/2017

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    oh, just saw you put them at the bottom

    the kicker is the 4 coin set. from what it looks like, they sold ~20k 1/10th ouncers across the 4 coin and Single.

    this year they'll do 22k.

    no rush on these. they'll sell out of everything but the 1 ouncer in about 9 months to a year.

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  • coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the mint probably thinks they can get a better first day of sales with a hh limit. I suppose some people will fall for it

  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭

    Yes but next year, look for a Bulk monster box just like with the ASE's. Available to non Dealers at a HHL of 1.

  • JazzmanJABJazzmanJAB Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2018 2:57PM

    Going to get the 10th oz, to keep it running. I went with the proof version for my collection. At least, all the proofs that were available. No proof years 1986, 1987 and 2009.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice display

    Where did you get the plastic?

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  • JazzmanJABJazzmanJAB Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2018 6:36PM

    @MsMorrisine said:
    Very nice display

    Where did you get the plastic?

    Capital Plastic #MA 437 & MA 437A, Ordered & picked up at my Local B&M.

  • mustangmanbobmustangmanbob Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think is is a great idea.

    Bazillions of people complain when an item blows up in .2 nanoseconds sold out, and flips for 3x a minute later.

    They can always relax the 1 HH limit after a day week month, whatever.

  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    27% over spot for these proofs??

    I don't think so...

  • coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    u.s. mint gold eagles are at a 10 year low in sales. the 2018's will not even sell out
    http://www.kitco.com/news/2018-03-01/Feb-U-S-Mint-Coin-Sales-Weak-Dishoarding-Premiums-Behind-Decline.html

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,279 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2018 4:31PM

    This may cause me to dishoard some of my proof AGEs as well. They just have to keep messing with us.

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  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mustangmanbob said:
    I think is is a great idea.

    Bazillions of people complain when an item blows up in .2 nanoseconds sold out, and flips for 3x a minute later.

    They can always relax the 1 HH limit after a day week month, whatever.

    HHL's for proof AGE's? That's like putting HHL's on proof ASE's. Can't figure out why they'd but a product limit on 'em, either.

    I haven't checked the sales for the past 5 years for all of these products, but none of these will even sell out. Demand for these have been declining for years.

    On the other hand, if they're going to put HHL's of one on the AGE's and the gold breastie commem, are we going to see HHL's of one on the Reverse Proof set and the S-Mint ASE? That might upset me. :) (The fact I'll have free shipping by then and won't have to pay another shipping charge later when I order more does make it less upsetting. :D )

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They've learned that when they put HHLs on items, flippers go bananas and buy them out.

    They have NOT learned that it is certain product types, and not others, that sell out quickly with HHLs.

    The USMint is NOT staffed with highly intelligent people....not the management nor the marketing sides

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  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭

    I'm going to venture a guess as to where the US Mint gets it's "College Degreed" brainiacs in marketing and management, etc. They get people who spent 5 - 10 years working at Wal- Mart , McDonalds and Starbucks after getting their Party Degrees at Party U. These people hang out in Georgetown and look down their noses at the Peasants who buy Mint Product.

  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    HHL's are gone, just in case you need to stock up on proof AGE's.

    Haven't seen any first day sales figures, but they're all still available...

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