I don't understand why they couldn't just add another qualifier. I mean if they are confident the card is produced from the original run but believe it to be sheet cut add a SC to it. Let the market dictate its value.
"Let's face it~much of the value of these cards is based on centering out of the pack. If you can bypass that issue by cutting your own cards, well, that value ought to be reduced commensurate with the degree of difficulty not being nearly as great, centering-wise. If that is not a factor for you, you're missing the point about what gives vintage cards the value they possess."
no, it didn't fly over my head
these sheet cut cards by BGS, DO sell for a lot less
sometimes for a 1/10 of what PSA 10's sell for
and I'm great with that
I'm not one to try to cross them over
I leave them as they are
I think these sheet cut cards are great novelties
and LEGIT
I just don't get all the hate that some spew
like they've been wronged
@LOTSOS said:
I don't understand why they couldn't just add another qualifier. I mean if they are confident the card is produced from the original run but believe it to be sheet cut add a SC to it. Let the market dictate its value.
Kevin
the market has already dictated the values
collectors buy them up, that's for sure
just for a lot less & I love that aspect
I hope PSA never grades these, so the value stays low
that's my selfish cheap perspective
@LOTSOS said:
I don't understand why they couldn't just add another qualifier. I mean if they are confident the card is produced from the original run but believe it to be sheet cut add a SC to it. Let the market dictate its value.
Kevin
Kevin, excellent point! PSA already designates many cards that were designed to be cut from boxes as "hand cut", so the terminology is already in use for some items. Interestingly enough, it would also give people who submit more incentive to use PSA instead of pushing all the market through Beckett.
seems like a nit-pickin' thing to me on what they will grade and what not
I think they've been pretty consistent on what they will grade and not.
Kevin had a suggestion that individual cards that were sold that way but "may" be hand cut from a sheet (today) will be detected and graded as "hand cut." I don't have any problem with that.
There's no way a "hand cut" 10 will match up with a 10 that came from a pack/rack/cello or vending box with respect to what it will command on the open market IMO.
I think it's a fantasy to believe PSA can tell 100% what is sheet cut and what is not. By labeling a card in that way, you're opening a whole can of worms where legit cards will be wrongly labelled and vice versa. By making it their policy not to grade them, they hope it will discourage people from sending them in at all. If they miss a few (which is inevitable), that's life.
There's no way a "hand cut" 10 will match up with a 10 that came from a pack/rack/cello or vending box with respect to what it will command on the open market IMO.
perhaps that is correct with the hard core purists
again, my hope is PSA does NOT grade these
I was just playing devils advocate
There's no way a "hand cut" 10 will match up with a 10 that came from a pack/rack/cello or vending box with respect to what it will command on the open market IMO.
perhaps that is correct with the hard core purists
again, my hope is PSA does NOT grade these
I was just playing devils advocate
Let's say you've been looking for that 1972 Ken Holtzman PSA 9 with perfect centering for over 10 years for your set. Let's say a friend tells you he has a sheet he's cutting up and eventually got the card back from PSA and it graded a 9. He says he'll sell it to you for $100 bucks. Remember, you've been looking for a perfectly centered PSA 9 for 10 years. He says if you don't buy it, he's sending it to PWCC, where other guys that are competing against you in the set registry will most likely send the card well over $300.00
@Frozencaribou said:
I'm a OPC hockey guy, and it is becoming very difficult to tell what to buy or not to buy from the 80's especially.
This is an example of the 1968 Orr that was up on eBay about seven or eight years ago. Even the dealer selling the card advertised it as sheet cut. Even as a registry collector trying to compete with the Orr crowd, I wouldn't touch this card. I will always want legit cards from the time period from factories, not sheet cut from basically a poster.
Here is my PSA 8, which is in my opinion a factory cut card.
The rewards are too great compared to the risks when submitting sheet cut cards. At worst, you are out $20 on a grading submission. At best, you are up thousands on a low pop card.
-Nathanael
Your PSA 8 looks like the ones that I pulled from vending years ago. You can be 100% sure that yours is the real deal.
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I don't understand why they couldn't just add another qualifier. I mean if they are confident the card is produced from the original run but believe it to be sheet cut add a SC to it. Let the market dictate its value.
Kevin
Kevin
"Let's face it~much of the value of these cards is based on centering out of the pack. If you can bypass that issue by cutting your own cards, well, that value ought to be reduced commensurate with the degree of difficulty not being nearly as great, centering-wise. If that is not a factor for you, you're missing the point about what gives vintage cards the value they possess."
no, it didn't fly over my head
these sheet cut cards by BGS, DO sell for a lot less
sometimes for a 1/10 of what PSA 10's sell for
and I'm great with that
I'm not one to try to cross them over
I leave them as they are
I think these sheet cut cards are great novelties
and LEGIT
I just don't get all the hate that some spew
like they've been wronged
the market has already dictated the values
collectors buy them up, that's for sure
just for a lot less & I love that aspect
I hope PSA never grades these, so the value stays low
that's my selfish cheap perspective
Kevin, excellent point! PSA already designates many cards that were designed to be cut from boxes as "hand cut", so the terminology is already in use for some items. Interestingly enough, it would also give people who submit more incentive to use PSA instead of pushing all the market through Beckett.
take the 1984 Nestle set
it was released as a uncut sheet set
so they deem its ok to grade, because they never came cut
so where is the theory on this, on the advantage of cutting centered cards
they slabbed and labeled it sheet cut
seems like a nit-pickin' thing to me on what they will grade and what not
I think they've been pretty consistent on what they will grade and not.
Kevin had a suggestion that individual cards that were sold that way but "may" be hand cut from a sheet (today) will be detected and graded as "hand cut." I don't have any problem with that.
There's no way a "hand cut" 10 will match up with a 10 that came from a pack/rack/cello or vending box with respect to what it will command on the open market IMO.
I think it's a fantasy to believe PSA can tell 100% what is sheet cut and what is not. By labeling a card in that way, you're opening a whole can of worms where legit cards will be wrongly labelled and vice versa. By making it their policy not to grade them, they hope it will discourage people from sending them in at all. If they miss a few (which is inevitable), that's life.
generally, all sheets being cut are 80's & some 70's
perfect edges with no chipping is the first sign
add perfect corners & nice centering
it's a great suspect
perhaps that is correct with the hard core purists
again, my hope is PSA does NOT grade these
I was just playing devils advocate
What about panels, such as the 3 card 67 Punch Out strips of the 3 panel 1968 Action Stickers ?
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Agree.
Let me ask a theoretical question here.
Let's say you've been looking for that 1972 Ken Holtzman PSA 9 with perfect centering for over 10 years for your set. Let's say a friend tells you he has a sheet he's cutting up and eventually got the card back from PSA and it graded a 9. He says he'll sell it to you for $100 bucks. Remember, you've been looking for a perfectly centered PSA 9 for 10 years. He says if you don't buy it, he's sending it to PWCC, where other guys that are competing against you in the set registry will most likely send the card well over $300.00
What do you do ?
Your PSA 8 looks like the ones that I pulled from vending years ago. You can be 100% sure that yours is the real deal.