Counterfeit trade dollar?

saltlydog4

Appears to be a 1876s trade dollar type 2/1 with chop marks (which doesnt exist). interestingly, it looks like it has a doubled die on the obverse, which isnt known to exist for coins with a type 1 reverse. thoughts? Could the doubling on the hand actually be 3 fingers that makes it appear to be 4 fingers? My bet is on counterfeit though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1876-S-ICG-AU58-Details-Chopmarked-Silver-Trade-Dollar-B6038-/302586112096?

davewesen

ICG likes it as authentic

icgcoin.com/load_SNSearch.php?ctn=3853174501

kaz

It looks genuine to me. I think it's a type 1/1, the chopmark sort of flattened the ribbon tips but I think they point to the left. I see what you mean about the fingers, but I think the lighting is playing tricks on me and it's actually 3 fingers. I'm no expert and I expect someone more knowledgeable will be along presently.

Outhaul

It certainly looks legit to me.

OGDan

I agree with what Kaz said above.

mbogoman

The left-most ribbon tip is definitely pointing to the left, so it's not a Type 2 obv. The lighting around the fingers confuses things a bit, but I see only three fingers. I took down the brightness a bit and played with the contrast. Coin looks real to me.

kaz

.. and the doubling looks like a little bit of machine/"shelf" doubling to me.

ricko

While the coin appears authentic... to me, it looks as if the fingers have been tooled...Cheers, RickO

Crypto

Looks legit

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boyernumismatics

Nothing about this Trade Dollar appears counterfeit from the photos, but it is always difficult to tell until you have the coin in hand with all of the necessary tools for authenticating them at the office. I'm glad my Trade Dollar research paper experience is finally paying off for the service of helping others on theirs, LOL.

RogerB

Curious - What proportion of trade dollars offered on ebay are counterfeit?

AUandAG

@RogerB said:
Curious - What proportion of trade dollars offered on ebay are counterfeit?

Much more than 1/2 I'd say.

bob

Insider2

@boyernumismatics said:
Nothing about this Trade Dollar appears counterfeit from the photos, but it is always difficult to tell until you have the coin in hand with all of the necessary tools for authenticating them at the office. I'm glad my Trade Dollar research paper experience is finally paying off for the service of helping others on theirs, LOL.

What research paper? Where is it published?

boyernumismatics

@Insider2 said:

@boyernumismatics said:
Nothing about this Trade Dollar appears counterfeit from the photos, but it is always difficult to tell until you have the coin in hand with all of the necessary tools for authenticating them at the office. I'm glad my Trade Dollar research paper experience is finally paying off for the service of helping others on theirs, LOL.

What research paper? Where is it published?

It's not officially published yet anywhere except for Microsoft Word, but I have been thinking about trying to get it published in the RCMR or The Numismatist, but it may be too long for their liking.

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stealer

@RogerB said:
Curious - What proportion of trade dollars offered on ebay are counterfeit?

Without actually tallying anything, I'd say 5% would be fair.

I check the T$ eBay listings multiple times a day.

mbogoman

@stealer said:

@RogerB said:
Curious - What proportion of trade dollars offered on ebay are counterfeit?

Without actually tallying anything, I'd say 5% would be fair.

I check the T$ eBay listings multiple times a day.

I agree, and I do the same...

stealer

@mbogoman said:

@stealer said:

@RogerB said:
Curious - What proportion of trade dollars offered on ebay are counterfeit?

Without actually tallying anything, I'd say 5% would be fair.

I check the T$ eBay listings multiple times a day.

I agree, and I do the same...

A formidable opponent indeed...it's been slim pickings since I started work!

Insider2

@boyernumismatics are you a member of LLCC?