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Does this look like an original? 1780 Austria Maria Theresa

Spartcom5Spartcom5 Posts: 399 ✭✭✭
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Not sure if this is a restrike or original. I know it is HIGHLY unlikely it's original but the seller wants $20 for it. Thoughts?

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Need straight on shot. Original or not I'd pay $20.

  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe all the "originals" (ie. actually struck in or shortly after 1780) have "AUST" rather than "AVST".

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,675 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a "Pass" regardless due to damage. These saw heavy actual use in Ethiopia among other places well into the 20th century.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Maria Theresa Taler was struck at various times. There is a website that references some of the differences between the original and restrikes that where done at various times. There are diagnostics to look for. Off hand, I am not sure where the one you pictured fits into the long production history. The varieties are worth looking at if you have an interest in the coin and it's history.

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=52868

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf

    The old forum/thread that topstuf posted is pretty good (and clearly rules out the OP's coin from the ranks of the "originals"). Nice reference there, Mr. topstuf.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinkat said:
    The Maria Theresa Taler was struck at various times. There is a website that references some of the differences between the original and restrikes that where done at various times. There are diagnostics to look for. Off hand, I am not sure where the one you pictured fits into the long production history. The varieties are worth looking at if you have an interest in the coin and it's history.

    I believe this may be the site you are referring to:
    http://www.theresia.name/en/svergleich.html

    and here is a chart to help narrow down some of the examples:
    http://www.theresia.name/en/svariants.html

  • WorldCoinsDmitryWorldCoinsDmitry Posts: 367 ✭✭✭

    I'd pass at $20, would pay no more than melt. This one is Hafner 58, attributed as minted in Vienna 1932-35. It is one of the more common varieties and also one of the more easily identifiable. Due to slightly smaller planchet size, the outer legends touch the rims on both sides.

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  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    theresia.name/en/
    mariatheresa.com/austrianmintnariatheresathaler.html

    Habsburg Talers
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just a thought, Most restrikes I've seen are not as nicely circulated as this. In this case, I should prefer owning this piece rather than one of the commonly seen uncirculated specimens. This one has some "history" behind it. Besides, I'll bet many of you spend $20 a week on chewing gum. :)

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But only ORIGINAL gum.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for posting links...

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2017 1:46PM

    I have an early-ish MTT and the portrait is a little different than the more familiar one shown here.

    At one time I was buying all MTTs I could find that were reasonably priced, figuring I would go through them at some point and try to attribute them.

    If you are OK with dropping a 20 on a worn MTT as a reference piece, I say go for it. As was mentioned, this one was actually USED in commerce, most likely in Africa or the Middle East. That adds some appeal to it for many people. If you decide that you will sit down and weigh your options over a cup of Starbucks coffee or a beer, then I say just skip the beverage and apply that expense to the price of the coin. I am not sure what the going rate is for a circulated MTT, but it can't be too much under $20 in any case,

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2017 5:39PM

    I think I have more of this stuff below, as well as about 40 run-of-the-mill modern MTT:

    Don't overpay for common circulated 20th century MTT. Today, $20 is pretty steep for a common.

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I have more of this stuff below, as well as about 40 run-of-the-mill modern MTT:

    Don't overpay for common circulated 20th century MTT. Today, $20 is pretty steep for a common.

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