The Standing Liberty Quarter Model
BuffaloIronTail
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Doris Doscher - Actress
She appeared on "What's My Line" in 1952. I don't know if they guessed who she was.
Pete
"I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
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Not this old lie again...? There was no specific person who modeled for the Standing Liberty quarter.
If it's an old lie it's new to me......and I do have your book, Roger. Maybe I should study a little more.
Pete
I always thought (at least in the face) that the figure on the SLQ looked more male than female, especially on the Type 2.
That was my Aunt Fannie what posed for that coin!!!!!!
Awesome!
Very nice...
Is it mounted as jewelry, in a necklace ?
R.I.P Son 1986>2020
BIGAL2749: It would be nice to know why you disagree. Your explanation could provide an insight to this post. It would also give me a chance to try and explain your problem.
Only press the Disagree button if you do not like what I have to say.
That's only fair.
Pete
"...Is it mounted as jewelry, in a necklace ?"
http://coinauctionshelp.com/Pattern_Guides/standinglibertyquarter.html#.WjnVAvBKuUk
For what its worth....maybe nothing and old fake news.
FWIW...
Full Link:
http://numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ArticleId=7833
Excerpt:
Doris Doscher
She was an actress who starred in "The Birth of a Race" (sometimes shown with the alternate title "The Story of a Great Peace") in 1918. But when she appeared on the television program "I've Got a Secret" in April 1966, her secret was that she was the model for Liberty on the Standing Liberty quarter.
Time magazine also credited Doscher as the model for the coin at the time of her death in March 1970.
Doscher, sometimes going by the name Doris Doree, starred in several silent films. "The Birth of a Race" is the story of two brothers in a German-American family during World War I. One fights for the United States, and the other for Germany. Doscher played Eve, the wife of one of the brothers.
Doscher was also a professional model. She was the model for the "Pulitzer Fountain of Abundance" by Karl Bitter, completed by Isadore Konti and Karl Gruppe in 1915. The fountain represents Pomona, the Roman goddess of orchards, and stands in front of the Plaza Hotel in New York City.
Doscher also modeled for "Faith, Hope and Charity," "Diana of the Chase," "Memory," "Kneeling Madonna" and Hermon MacNeil's "The Angel of Peace."
Possibly the earliest published reference to Doscher as MacNeil's model for Liberty on the quarter was an item in the April 8, 1917, issue of The Syracuse Herald.
Doris married Dr. William Baum. She had a radio show on health and beauty and wrote a newspaper column, and she was a guest of honor at the dedication of Hermon MacNeil park.
Doris Doscher Baum, however, was not the only woman to claim the honor of being the model for the Standing Liberty quarter.
Irene MacDowell
Long after MacNeil died, a former Broadway actress and professional model, Irene MacDowell, claimed that she was the model for the Standing Liberty quarter. MacDowell was the wife of MacNeil's tennis partner. For the sake of everyone concerned, it was thought best to keep her role as model a secret and let Doscher take the credit.
Irene broke the silence in 1972, at the age of 92, recalling that she posed for MacNeil for 10 days, wearing a white, sheet-like drapery that she described as "a kind of classical robe."
MacDowell was described as statuesque and "handsome." She frequently posed for MacNeil and reportedly was a model for some of the figures on the "Soldiers and Sailors Monument" in Albany, N.Y.
R.I.P Son 1986>2020
Thanks for posting that Rosco. That's about what I knew, but I truncated the post.
Pete
Why just disagree without an explanation?
It seems that @RogerB has indicated there was NO model... and yet two ladies have claimed to have modeled for the coin....While I would tend to believe Roger, as an accomplished researcher, it is not unheard of for people to lay claim to such things, which, for the most part, may not be disproved and take on the air of legend. Cheers, RickO
Anyone can claim whatever they wish. But neither woman has proof - such as a letter from McNeil - that the figure on the 1916 quarter is of a specific person. Lots of women and men modeled for the sculptor and his wife, who was also an accomplished artist.
Instead of spreading such rubbish as in the opening post, collectors ought to aspire to improve the information they offer to others.
Like @ricko , I respect and give weight to @RogerB 's input, but at the same time I can't fault someone for quoting a published source. Just as today the Internet never lies, back in the day newspapers were the source of all truth.
Get it in print and it will take on a certain legitimacy, whether true or not.
Reminds me of that famous picture of a sailor kissing a nurse in Times Square on V-J Day in 1945. Even as recently as several years ago there were multiple people claiming to be one or the other person shown in the picture.
Look.........i understand where Roger is coming from. DOCUMENTED proof is what is needed to verify any claim.
Believe me, I just recently fell in to this story......henceforth repeating a "lie" is and was not my intention. I actually thought I was bringing up a fact that some people didn't know.
I gotta get a hold on some of the stuff I post. I will be more careful in the future.
Sorry, Roger.
Pete
It wasn't your lie (assuming it is a lie) - it was someone else's lie or misstatement or misunderstanding that made it into print somewhere. It will undoubtedly live on. It happens.
I inherited a signed copy of the famous baseball poem "Casey at the Bat". It was inscribed to my grandfather, so he had obviously met the author. The problem is, when I went to research it I kept finding the poem attributed to someone else. I wrote to the Baseball Hall of Fame and they filled me in: the person who signed the copy for my grandfather was an imposter who went around claiming authorship for years. It is still a fun souvenir and historical in its own right, but I am glad I know the truth.
To be clear, MacNeil did use at least one specific person as a model when sculpting the Standing Liberty quarter.
The question is:
Who was that person (or persons), and did MacNeil care to make the resulting sculpt as a rendition of that specific person or did he only strive to make it an aesthetic rendition of a generic figure ?
BuffaloIronTail- No need to apologize.
And since you've been gone for a while and accused of spreading "rubbish," you might enjoy reading the following thread. Plus it's just a great read.
Broken Sword