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1969 penny President double

Hello guys ,what type of die have this penny?



..thank you

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,790 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks to me to be cleaned.

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    NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2017 6:23PM

    @JBK said:
    Looks to me to be cleaned.

    With prints all over it.

    I'll come up with something.
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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not sure what you have there, I don't believe it's MD. It will be interesting to see what some of the experts say.

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    no didnt cleaned

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    Im Interesting to ..Thank you

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It definitely appears that something is going on the back of his head and down his back, I'm not sure and I don't think I've ever seen that, I'm interested what the error guys say as well

    Steve

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    KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2017 8:52PM

    Looks like thumb prints on each side. What area are you asking about doubling

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2017 9:30PM

    2 possibilities:

    1. Glue on the highest surface of Abe?
      @Deniss222 - is the surface smooth across the line from the lower brown color to the upper yellowish color?
      If that line is a groove and the upper part is raised, it could be glue.

    2. Someone made a pool with solvent or water on the coin, which removed the toning from the lower height surfaces and left the toning on the highest surfaces.

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    push doubling ?

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    glue?

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,600 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Translucent glue, such as epoxy, is found on coins sometimes.

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    ok..

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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Deniss222 said:
    no didnt cleaned

    Well, you may not have, but someone did.

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    WHAT TYPE?

    spending change

    Frank

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is an interesting anomaly.... it appears that someone may have tooled Lincoln's portrait... The line of separation is most prominent on the top and back of the portrait, but also down the front. My opinion is tooling by someone... no real purpose to it and of course, no added value.....Performed post minting. Cheers, RickO

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice pictures.

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    ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm intrigued...will throw in a @FredWeinberg tag to see if he can opine.

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Something going on...but what.

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mornin' all -

    I'm not sure what that 'doubling' is,
    both behind Lincoln's head, and in
    the top front profile.

    It's not a doubled die.

    Given the surfaces of the coin, which
    has some enviornmental issues, imo,
    it could be some type of damage. It
    appears that there is some flattening
    or damage in the ear area and above it.

    Doesn't look like mechanical/ejection
    doubling, but it could be.

    Sorry I can't give a definite reason or
    cause - someone who can see the coin
    in-hand should be able to figure it out.
    Sometimes these things are hard to tell
    from photos only.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,790 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't see any "extra" details - the overall size of the portrait seems right - it is just that odd effect. Not sure if it is tooling or other physical damage, or a "water line" so to speak from the environmental damage,

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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    Abe has a splitting...well they say he once split railroad ties, headache, so obviously I don't know what's going on here.

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Abe split "rails" for early-style wooden fences.

    By the time the railroads came through (twenty years later), Abe was "the" corporate lawyer for the railroad organizers.

    Lincoln warn't no hick.

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    Mission16Mission16 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭

    Weird. It kinda looks like a very thin, very old layer of solder.

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    Thank you guys for answers ..this line going aroud ...I will post another pix ...

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    dont look like clean ..lol

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,790 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With all that gunk on the coin I suspect that it is just damage of some kind, but it does look intriguing.

    Why does it seem that so many alleged error coins have environmental or post mint damage? Obviously a contributing factor to the odd appearance.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,326 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin is a 50 year old circulated coin. No way of knowing what all the coin was subjected to, but regardless of that, it is most interesting as to how the strike anomaly or PMD occurred and why. Some machinist bored, maybe, but looks like if so, it was done early in the coins life and was naturally worn in circulation to create the oddity we see here. Look forward to a more knowledgeable answer.
    Jim


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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dump it into some fresh acetone and see what dissolves.

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    NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭

    Much like the coin, I don't think answers are going to change, unless you do as RogerB suggests, and give it a bath in acetone.

    I'll come up with something.
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    thank you guys ..I do it

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