Cool set....your collection is impressive.
I remember "making" a PR69 1964 in the rattler era.
Bought the coin for 25c at a flea market.
If I recall, it had nice cam+ surfaces on both sides.
I sold it for a big number.....and as @KindaNewish said, not many of these were submitted..and back then, a 69 was, well, a 69.
(Stop it, Beavis!)😄
I've had this thread pinned as a favorite for a few years. Glad to see the collection is progressing. I remember when you asked when the right time is to give up--your answer: NEVER!
@philographer said:
I've had this thread pinned as a favorite for a few years. Glad to see the collection is progressing.
Oh, that was not me who said "never". I've tried to give up on this set because it is so difficult many times. Encouragement (and a few leads and trades) from the good folks here has kept me going on it.
This is a monumental challenge that now, after a few years, have finally realized was worth it. I'll never be able to sell this set for anything close to what I've had to pay (not for the coins, but the countless hours I've spent looking for these little weirdos), but since this will probably never be duplicated, I'm glad I took this challenge.
I remember "making" a PR69 1964 in the rattler era.
Bought the coin for 25c at a flea market.
If I recall, it had nice cam+ surfaces on both sides.
I sold it for a big number.....and as @KindaNewish said, not many of these were submitted..and back then, a 69 was, well, a 69.
With a production of only 21, this 1964 PR69RD cent has about a 5% probability of being the one you found.
Mine also has very strong cameos on both sides, so, until proven otherwise, I am going to assume that the one in my set is the same as the one you found.
Thank you for finding it and making it for me.
I remember "making" a PR69 1964 in the rattler era.
Bought the coin for 25c at a flea market.
If I recall, it had nice cam+ surfaces on both sides.
I sold it for a big number.....and as @KindaNewish said, not many of these were submitted..and back then, a 69 was, well, a 69.
With a production of only 21, this 1964 PR69RD cent has about a 5% probability of being the one you found.
Mine also has very strong cameos on both sides, so, until proven otherwise, I am going to assume that the one in my set is the same as the one you found.
Thank you for finding it and making it for me.
That is kind of cool!
It was an outstanding coin if my memory from 30 years ago is any good.
It's weird that I can remember particular coins from years ago but not where I put my keys.......or where my glasses are....oops...just sat on them... again....
@philographer said:
I've had this thread pinned as a favorite for a few years. Glad to see the collection is progressing.
Oh, that was not me who said "never". I've tried to give up on this set because it is so difficult many times. Encouragement (and a few leads and trades) from the good folks here has kept me going on it.
This is a monumental challenge that now, after a few years, have finally realized was worth it. I'll never be able to sell this set for anything close to what I've had to pay (not for the coins, but the countless hours I've spent looking for these little weirdos), but since this will probably never be duplicated, I'm glad I took this challenge.
You may not have said "never" but your actions demonstrate it. You haven't given up. Excellent work.
Hello everybody and Happy Thanksgiving. This is the year 6 annual update.
First of all, I was the high bid on the 1964 Nickel on eBay this evening, Thank you to all of you who remembered this set and PM'ed me the head's up. You guys are wonderful.
It started out a really slow few months since the last six month update at the bottom of page 1 of this thread. It was October, and I only had 3 upgrades and no newps. I was thinking of skipping this annual update because I had nothing interesting to share. Then...BOOM! within 48 hours four newps came available! Luckily I got them all. Along with 64 Jefferson, this brings the current standings to 106 of the 114 coins needed to complete the set.
Before the newps came available, I was thinking of changing the rules for the set and eliminating the need to include both flavors of 1960 cent (only one is needed for the registry set, and with a production of only 14 small date and 11 large date in all grades, I figured that losing one and making this a 113 coin set is acceptable). And then..
The star of the upgrades is this 1962 Franklin in PR68. This is the first PR68 rattler Franklin I've ever seen, and the first coin that I own that beats the @joebb21 set from many years ago. With a production in all years of only 91 PR68 Franklins (more than half were 1957 and only 2 PR69's made), Joe assumed in one his posts over a decade ago that no PR68 existed as all were cracked to get the CAM and DCAM designations that were not available in the rattler era. Thanks to David Lawrence.
Two of the newps allowed me to complete the proof Roosevelt part of the set. The rattler production populations are in the comments section of my registry set, I highly doubt that this set will ever be duplicated.
And here is the best part, and as I noted somewhere upthread that I would gladly change the parameters of this set if this coin was allowed in, I present the 1959 rattler proof set featuring this glorious doily! Thank you so much @toyz4geo
There will be no more 6 month updates, I will just post additions to this set annually from here on in.
Hello everybody, and Happy Thanksgiving. This is the year 7 annual update.
Edited 12/18/21 to add photos.
As expected, newps and upgrades are becoming more difficult to find as the years roll by. But with help from you guys and a few friends and sympathetic coin dealers, this set has still improved. Thank you so much to all who have helped me with this set.
A few unremarkable coins in archaic plastic were obtained to complete the incredibly difficult 1956 and 1960 parts of this set.
When I started this set, I didn't know that the original production of these proof coins in rattlers were so tiny (the rattler populations are in the comments section of my registry set). I started this set not knowing if many of these things even existed at all. After a fine fellow shared with me his copy of the September 1989 PCGS population report, I actually felt deflated, because it seemed that this was an impossible set to finish, and I wasted my time and money trying to complete a set that couldn't be completed. But 30 years after production of rattlers ended and a few years working on this set, I was so close to getting it done. Encouragement upthread and my own stubborness about admitting defeat keeps me at this.
And then in July, HLRC finds this awesome 1936 proof rattler dime and sells it to me at a very reasonable price to complete the Mercury part of this set. Happy times!
Then here is where Gary comes in.
If you collect rattlers and don't know Gary, you should. If you are a collector of rattlers or other old holders and don't have contact info for Gary U*******y, please PM me so I can connect you to this gentleman who has an uncanny ability to locate these oddballs.
Somehow, Gary obtained a pair of proof rattler Jeffersons, 1958 and 1959 for me. Don't know where he found them, but I am so glad that he remembered this set and sent them to me. The sad part is that the proof 1959 PR 66 5c in a doily that I was so grateful that George sent me last year has been downgraded for a PR 65 rattler.
But the 1959 Jefferson doily will always remain a treasured coin. It now goes into my doily box and will be an anchor when I work on the set of 36-64 proof doilys.
Sometime later, a few months ago and I don't know how, Gary found a 1936 rattler proof Walker and offered it to me. Honestly, I couldn't throw money at him fast enough to get this into this set. This completes the Walking Half part of this set.
@KindaNewish said:
Hello everybody, and Happy Thanksgiving. This is the year 7 annual update.
As expected, newps and upgrades are becoming more difficult to find as the years roll by. But with help from you guys and a few friends and sympathetic coin dealers, this set has still improved. Thank you so much to all who have helped me with this set.
A few unremarkable coins in archaic plastic were obtained to complete the incredibly difficult 1956 and 1960 parts of this set.
When I started this set, I didn't know that the original production of these proof coins in rattlers were so tiny (the rattler populations are in the comments section of my registry set). I started this set not knowing if many of these things even existed at all. After a fine fellow shared with me his copy of the September 1989 PCGS population report, I actually felt deflated, because it seemed that this was an impossible set to finish, and I wasted my time and money trying to complete a set that couldn't be completed. But 30 years after production of rattlers ended and a few years working on this set, I was so close to getting it done. Encouragement upthread and my own stubborness about admitting defeat keeps me at this.
And then in July, HLRC finds this awesome 1936 proof rattler dime and sells it to me at a very reasonable price to complete the Mercury part of this set. Happy times!
Then here is where Gary comes in.
If you collect rattlers and don't know Gary, you should. If you are a collector of rattlers or other old holders and don't have contact info for Gary U*******y, please PM me so I can connect you to this gentleman who has an uncanny ability to locate these oddballs.
Somehow, Gary obtained a pair of proof rattler Jeffersons, 1958 and 1959 for me. Don't know where he found them, but I am so glad that he remembered this set and sent them to me. The sad part is that the proof 1959 PR 66 5c in a doily that I was so grateful that George sent me last year has been downgraded for a PR 65 rattler.
But the 1959 Jefferson doily will always remain a treasured coin. It now goes into my doily box and will be an anchor when I work on the set of 36-64 proof doilys.
Sometime later, a few months ago and I don't know how, Gary found a 1936 rattler proof Walker and offered it to me. Honestly, I couldn't throw money at him fast enough to get this into this set. This completes the Walking Half part of this set.
The end is in sight. 112/114.
[photos of the newps and updoots will be added as an edit to this post in the next few days]
Gary has a bad reputation in a lot of circles. Tread VERY carefully with him. Can't say more without throwing mud, so I won't. I do believe he is a former member here.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
@DelawareDoons said:
Also a 36 proof walker in a rattler just sold on... I want to say GC? a week ago. They aren't hard to find, per se, just takes some patience.
It's the later date, lower value stuff that would be harder.
oh, I now remember why I have you on ignore.
you are the guy who tried to lowball me on some NGC 3.0's.
Gary found 2 1936 Walker proofs in rattlers, he offered me one at a little bit above his cost before he sent the other to GC.
7 years looking for a 36 proof walker in a rattler, these are the first two I have ever seen.
@DelawareDoons said:
Also a 36 proof walker in a rattler just sold on... I want to say GC? a week ago. They aren't hard to find, per se, just takes some patience.
It's the later date, lower value stuff that would be harder.
oh, I now remember why I have you on ignore.
you are the guy who tried to lowball me on some NGC 3.0's.
Gary found 2 1936 Walker proofs in rattlers, he offered me one at a little bit above his cost before he sent the other to GC.
7 years looking for a 36 proof walker in a rattler, these are the first two I have ever seen.
There was one on eBay about 4 months ago too, I bought it for little to no premium above going rate for the grade, cracked it, and got a 1.5 point bump.
I didn't lowball you on anything, I offered you a slight premium to market rates. You deleted the post where you called me a lowballer and apologized because you were dead wrong.
Good luck with your pursuit, nonetheless, and hopefully you don't get burned by Gary.
PS; it's kind of a shame, we chatted elsewhere and there was no animosity between us at all, we had a really nice chat about your Rattler set and you were trying to buy a couple coins off me but I wasn't selling.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
What happens when you complete it? Are you planning to sell it?
Don't know. I guess that's gonna be my kids problem.
An update:
Thank you to all of you who let me know about the 1936 Proof Washington rattler that was on Heritage a short while after the last update. I passed on that pr63, because someone found a pr64 for me. Guess who?
A quick update before fireworks.
The set is almost complete, and there is no way I could have done this without help. Thank you all.
The set is 113/114 complete. Still missing the 1936 Satin Proof Lincoln in a rattler. According to the September 1989 population report, 59 of the 1936 type 1 cents were produced. It is possible that some exist, so I keep my hopes up and welcome any leads.
No newps, only 5 upgrades.
Last year when I posted the t-day update, one of the prized pick-ups was a 1956 Lincoln. Although at PR64, it was the only sub-gem in the 1950-1964 part of the set, I was so happy to have found it, as the production of all grades was just 18 coins. Grabbed this 1956 at PR66RD to upgrade the the entire 50-64 set to gem.
I still hold 20th place on the PCGS registry for the 50-64 set without the benefit of CAM or DCAM. All 5 upgrades did not change my ranking.
A few posts upthread mentioned the scarcity of PR68 Franklins.
I while ago , I found a guy on reddit who was showing off his stuff, including a 1956 rattler Franklin in PR68, so I had to contact him to see if he would sell. It turned out to be a flaming bag of clown shoes named @FadeToBlack who used to post here and I suspect is the guy uptread that is on my ignore list.
What a trustworthy collector/dealer! If I ran the HR department at a large numismatic firm, I would be sure to add him to my staff.
Comments
Cool set....your collection is impressive.
I remember "making" a PR69 1964 in the rattler era.
Bought the coin for 25c at a flea market.
If I recall, it had nice cam+ surfaces on both sides.
I sold it for a big number.....and as @KindaNewish said, not many of these were submitted..and back then, a 69 was, well, a 69.
(Stop it, Beavis!)😄
When you get tired of beating yourself over the head,,,,,,,,,,,it's time to switch hands.
Congrats on a very difficult undertaking. I'm assuming you're looking at every auction on the internet, if not, sometimes odd things lurk.
I've had this thread pinned as a favorite for a few years. Glad to see the collection is progressing. I remember when you asked when the right time is to give up--your answer: NEVER!
He who knows he has enough is rich.
Oh, that was not me who said "never". I've tried to give up on this set because it is so difficult many times. Encouragement (and a few leads and trades) from the good folks here has kept me going on it.
This is a monumental challenge that now, after a few years, have finally realized was worth it. I'll never be able to sell this set for anything close to what I've had to pay (not for the coins, but the countless hours I've spent looking for these little weirdos), but since this will probably never be duplicated, I'm glad I took this challenge.
With a production of only 21, this 1964 PR69RD cent has about a 5% probability of being the one you found.
Mine also has very strong cameos on both sides, so, until proven otherwise, I am going to assume that the one in my set is the same as the one you found.
Thank you for finding it and making it for me.
This is a neat project. The coins do look very cool together as you slowly gather more of them!
That's a heck of a set, tough parameters!
That is kind of cool!
It was an outstanding coin if my memory from 30 years ago is any good.
It's weird that I can remember particular coins from years ago but not where I put my keys.......or where my glasses are....oops...just sat on them... again....
Very nice. In fact down right impressive.
Way cool set. Keep going !
You may not have said "never" but your actions demonstrate it. You haven't given up. Excellent work.
He who knows he has enough is rich.
No way you can quit, now, cuz you're so close to the finish line.
A Monumental undertaking that I have truly enjoyed watching develop over the years.
You should be very proud.
I know that I am impressed, which doesn't happen very easily.
Keep it up.....you'll get there.
“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Hello everybody and Happy Thanksgiving. This is the year 6 annual update.
First of all, I was the high bid on the 1964 Nickel on eBay this evening, Thank you to all of you who remembered this set and PM'ed me the head's up. You guys are wonderful.
It started out a really slow few months since the last six month update at the bottom of page 1 of this thread. It was October, and I only had 3 upgrades and no newps. I was thinking of skipping this annual update because I had nothing interesting to share. Then...BOOM! within 48 hours four newps came available! Luckily I got them all. Along with 64 Jefferson, this brings the current standings to 106 of the 114 coins needed to complete the set.
Before the newps came available, I was thinking of changing the rules for the set and eliminating the need to include both flavors of 1960 cent (only one is needed for the registry set, and with a production of only 14 small date and 11 large date in all grades, I figured that losing one and making this a 113 coin set is acceptable). And then..
The star of the upgrades is this 1962 Franklin in PR68. This is the first PR68 rattler Franklin I've ever seen, and the first coin that I own that beats the @joebb21 set from many years ago. With a production in all years of only 91 PR68 Franklins (more than half were 1957 and only 2 PR69's made), Joe assumed in one his posts over a decade ago that no PR68 existed as all were cracked to get the CAM and DCAM designations that were not available in the rattler era. Thanks to David Lawrence.
Two of the newps allowed me to complete the proof Roosevelt part of the set. The rattler production populations are in the comments section of my registry set, I highly doubt that this set will ever be duplicated.
And here is the best part, and as I noted somewhere upthread that I would gladly change the parameters of this set if this coin was allowed in, I present the 1959 rattler proof set featuring this glorious doily! Thank you so much @toyz4geo
There will be no more 6 month updates, I will just post additions to this set annually from here on in.
Wow! What a set!
I would still consider the doily, one of the OGH, even though it is different from the rest. Amazing set!
Im in the process of putting together a set of old white NGC holdered dimes.
This is awesome! Sent you a PM, I may have one for your collection.
That is awesome! Keep on keeping on!
Congrats! I have now seen 3 pr68's since my last post. A 1956, a 1962 and a 1955 that I know for sure was cracked.
Keep up the search!
What is the current status of your set?
Thanks for asking. Currently 109/114
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/171870
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/171869
I will post a full update around Thanksgivingtime, as is tradition.
Hello everybody, and Happy Thanksgiving. This is the year 7 annual update.
Edited 12/18/21 to add photos.
As expected, newps and upgrades are becoming more difficult to find as the years roll by. But with help from you guys and a few friends and sympathetic coin dealers, this set has still improved. Thank you so much to all who have helped me with this set.
A few unremarkable coins in archaic plastic were obtained to complete the incredibly difficult 1956 and 1960 parts of this set.
When I started this set, I didn't know that the original production of these proof coins in rattlers were so tiny (the rattler populations are in the comments section of my registry set). I started this set not knowing if many of these things even existed at all. After a fine fellow shared with me his copy of the September 1989 PCGS population report, I actually felt deflated, because it seemed that this was an impossible set to finish, and I wasted my time and money trying to complete a set that couldn't be completed. But 30 years after production of rattlers ended and a few years working on this set, I was so close to getting it done. Encouragement upthread and my own stubborness about admitting defeat keeps me at this.
And then in July, HLRC finds this awesome 1936 proof rattler dime and sells it to me at a very reasonable price to complete the Mercury part of this set. Happy times!
Then here is where Gary comes in.
If you collect rattlers and don't know Gary, you should. If you are a collector of rattlers or other old holders and don't have contact info for Gary U*******y, please PM me so I can connect you to this gentleman who has an uncanny ability to locate these oddballs.
Somehow, Gary obtained a pair of proof rattler Jeffersons, 1958 and 1959 for me. Don't know where he found them, but I am so glad that he remembered this set and sent them to me. The sad part is that the proof 1959 PR 66 5c in a doily that I was so grateful that George sent me last year has been downgraded for a PR 65 rattler.
But the 1959 Jefferson doily will always remain a treasured coin. It now goes into my doily box and will be an anchor when I work on the set of 36-64 proof doilys.
Sometime later, a few months ago and I don't know how, Gary found a 1936 rattler proof Walker and offered it to me. Honestly, I couldn't throw money at him fast enough to get this into this set. This completes the Walking Half part of this set.
The end is in sight. 112/114.
Gary has a bad reputation in a lot of circles. Tread VERY carefully with him. Can't say more without throwing mud, so I won't. I do believe he is a former member here.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Also a 36 proof walker in a rattler just sold on... I want to say GC? a week ago. They aren't hard to find, per se, just takes some patience.
It's the later date, lower value stuff that would be harder.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
am I reading correctly that you only need the 36 satin cent and 36 quarter?
oh, I now remember why I have you on ignore.
you are the guy who tried to lowball me on some NGC 3.0's.
Gary found 2 1936 Walker proofs in rattlers, he offered me one at a little bit above his cost before he sent the other to GC.
7 years looking for a 36 proof walker in a rattler, these are the first two I have ever seen.
There was one on eBay about 4 months ago too, I bought it for little to no premium above going rate for the grade, cracked it, and got a 1.5 point bump.
I didn't lowball you on anything, I offered you a slight premium to market rates. You deleted the post where you called me a lowballer and apologized because you were dead wrong.
Good luck with your pursuit, nonetheless, and hopefully you don't get burned by Gary.
PS; it's kind of a shame, we chatted elsewhere and there was no animosity between us at all, we had a really nice chat about your Rattler set and you were trying to buy a couple coins off me but I wasn't selling.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Been following your progress on this set. So exciting that you are nearing the finish line. Monumental achievement!
“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Congratulations on your set completion. Given the value of the other 2 pieces, there are probably survivors in rattlers out there.
What happens when you complete it? Are you planning to sell it?
Their is a 1950 Proof Frankie on ebay in an OGH currently.
Jim
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203691967942?hash=item2f6cfcc5c6:g:1nAAAOSwQRphYldr
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Best of luck, KN. Great set. Never would have thought it possible. Thanks for sharing.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
Good luck trying to find a '36 Satin Cent. Also don't pay too much for your coppers as many will not grade red anymore.
Don't know. I guess that's gonna be my kids problem.
An update:
Thank you to all of you who let me know about the 1936 Proof Washington rattler that was on Heritage a short while after the last update. I passed on that pr63, because someone found a pr64 for me. Guess who?
113/114
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"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Is the satin 1936 cent the last coin?
Amazing progression and an amazing accomplishment ! Congrats
A quick update before fireworks.
The set is almost complete, and there is no way I could have done this without help. Thank you all.
The set is 113/114 complete. Still missing the 1936 Satin Proof Lincoln in a rattler. According to the September 1989 population report, 59 of the 1936 type 1 cents were produced. It is possible that some exist, so I keep my hopes up and welcome any leads.
No newps, only 5 upgrades.
Last year when I posted the t-day update, one of the prized pick-ups was a 1956 Lincoln. Although at PR64, it was the only sub-gem in the 1950-1964 part of the set, I was so happy to have found it, as the production of all grades was just 18 coins. Grabbed this 1956 at PR66RD to upgrade the the entire 50-64 set to gem.
I still hold 20th place on the PCGS registry for the 50-64 set without the benefit of CAM or DCAM. All 5 upgrades did not change my ranking.
A few posts upthread mentioned the scarcity of PR68 Franklins.
I while ago , I found a guy on reddit who was showing off his stuff, including a 1956 rattler Franklin in PR68, so I had to contact him to see if he would sell. It turned out to be a flaming bag of clown shoes named @FadeToBlack who used to post here and I suspect is the guy uptread that is on my ignore list.
What a trustworthy collector/dealer! If I ran the HR department at a large numismatic firm, I would be sure to add him to my staff.
Anyway, $145 later and on ebay:
