How do you get a previously unknown(unlisted) card/set added to the PSA pop report?

secretstash

How do you get a previously unknown(unlisted) card/set added to the PSA pop report?

Please share your knowledge. How long is the process. What is the chance of getting it added. How much proof is needed to add a previously unknown card or set. Where do you begin if the card is not in PSA registry, but it is in the SCD? --What if it is not in either?

I need help with a specific card, and I would like to have it number graded in the normal PSA holders.

miwlvrn

There's nothing to it. Just sub it. New cards get added all the time, probably thousands per month. They won't add it if it is unlicensed, but if it is, it will almost certainly be added. It helps to put a URL in the "Note" line on the electronic sub form that will link to a checklist or other info about the set, but it is not always necessary. Don't waste your time calling and asking in advance either. If it comes back N9, just send it again with your next sub.

secretstash

@miwlvrn said:
There's nothing to it. Just sub it. New cards get added all the time, probably thousands per month. They won't add it if it is unlicensed, but if it is, it will almost certainly be added. It helps to put a URL in the "Note" line on the electronic sub form that will link to a checklist or other info about the set, but it is not always necessary. Don't waste your time calling and asking in advance either. If it comes back N9, just send it again with your next sub.

Interesting. I did think there was a heck of a lot more to this. I had previously thought people fought for months to prove their card should be in a master set. I guess it isn't quite that difficult!

erikthredd

I agree with miwlvrn, on my last sub i had two Jordan 1988 spanish stickers added to the pop report when PSA had previously graded just four total stickers from this 1988 Basket 16 Las Estrellas De La NBA set. I included a note that had a link to a checklist, links to ebay listings showing how the stickers were originally distributed in sheet form in the Basket 16 magazine where the sheets were for sale on ebay and another link showing all of Jordan's stickers from this set. It might have been overkill but it worked and two of the three stickers i sent were graded.
If you still use paper sub forms just put together all the info you have about your card/set then print it up and send it with the sub...good luck.

ReggieCleveland

Ehhh.... it depends on what you're talking about. Obviously, if the set is represented in the pop report but your card isn't it won't be a problem. If you're talking about an entire issue that PSA hasn't graded then it can get dicey. Maybe it's different with modern stuff. But with vintage and prewar, you can encounter a black hole of logic that will result both in the card not getting slabbed and you getting slabbed in a padded room.

What is it you're trying to get graded?

Arthur

LarkinCollector

@ReggieCleveland said:
Obviously, if the set is represented in the pop report but your card isn't it won't be a problem.

You'd think that would be the case, but I've had N9s from my past two orders on cards from 3 different sets that PSA grades (1 they've even graded the specific card on the Pop).

If it comes back N9, just send it again with your next sub.

This ^ No charge for the N9s, and eventually they'll slab it.

ReggieCleveland

@LarkinCollector said:

@ReggieCleveland said:
Obviously, if the set is represented in the pop report but your card isn't it won't be a problem.

You'd think that would be the case, but I've had N9s from my past two orders on cards from 3 different sets that PSA grades (1 they've even graded the specific card on the Pop).

If it comes back N9, just send it again with your next sub.

This ^ No charge for the N9s, and eventually they'll slab it.

See padded room comment above.

secretstash

@ReggieCleveland said:
Ehhh.... it depends on what you're talking about. Obviously, if the set is represented in the pop report but your card isn't it won't be a problem. If you're talking about an entire issue that PSA hasn't graded then it can get dicey. Maybe it's different with modern stuff. But with vintage and prewar, you can encounter a black hole of logic that will result both in the card not getting slabbed and you getting slabbed in a padded room.

What is it you're trying to get graded?

Arthur

Thanks for the help from experience guys.

The card I am trying to get holdered would obviously be a pop 1 and I am not ready to share with the world yet just in case it is a popular card and I just happened to stumble it doesn't have population yet, lol. I will share some information to see if you can help me and maybe we can communicate through pm about the actual card.

Company who made the card stopped making that card series after two years of production. It was made in two sports--baseball and basketball. The card I have was purchased at the National many years ago from a large grouping of various of this issue from both sports and there were two of this player and both were bought; I have one of them now and the other one is long gone. ***The card issue has PSA population from the year before it in both sports (basketball-including this player and baseball) and the year I have of my card also has baseball confirmed in PSA population, but no basketball listed. I can find no record on the internet thus far of the basketball version of this year either so I am not sure what "proof" I can show PSA to get them the whole picture I described above and get my card in a slab.

****edited to add:

I cannot find the company in existence any longer since then. They made the set for 2 years for both sports in the late 80s era. So I may as well share the basketball player I would like to slab, it's Michael Jordan of course. It is not on the current Michael Jordan full list for registry, but the previous year is. I also haven't personally seen any other basketball player from the year my card is from, but it is likely a pretty rare set; there are baseball as mentioned.

1951WheatiesPremium

Well, I got a vintage 1 of 1 slabbed. Took work. With the what you've said so far, I'm guessing its more modern than vintage so I'd try to reach out to the manufacturer of said product and get some proof of release from them - that would really be all you'd need. A letter from (Star, Fleer, Classic, Upper Deck or whatever maker) that says we made this in such and such numbering with such an such release date would be all you'd need. Since this is impossible to come by for vintage in some cases, it's trickier. For newer, that information can be accessed more easily in most cases...

secretstash

@1951WheatiesPremium said:
Well, I got a vintage 1 of 1 slabbed. Took work. With the what you've said so far, I'm guessing its more modern than vintage so I'd try to reach out to the manufacturer of said product and get some proof of release from them - that would really be all you'd need. A letter from (Star, Fleer, Classic, Upper Deck or whatever maker) that says we made this in such and such numbering with such an such release date would be all you'd need. Since this is impossible to come by for vintage in some cases, it's trickier. For newer, that information can be accessed more easily in most cases...

I cannot find the company in existence any longer since then. They made the set for 2 years for both sports in the late 80s era. So I may as well share the basketball player I would like to slab, it's Michael Jordan of course. It is not on the current Michael Jordan full list for registry, but the previous year is. I also haven't personally seen any other basketball player from the year my card is from, but it is likely a pretty rare set; there are baseball as mentioned.

erikthredd

@secretstash maybe this link might help you if your card or set is listed there. It has all kinds of basketball oddball/international set checklists. I actually used a link to this site for the MJ spanish stickers i mentioned above so who knows it might help you a bit.
http://www.geocities.ws/copfert/Checklists/indextemp.htm

miwlvrn

@ReggieCleveland said:
Ehhh.... it depends on what you're talking about. Obviously, if the set is represented in the pop report but your card isn't it won't be a problem. If you're talking about an entire issue that PSA hasn't graded then it can get dicey. Maybe it's different with modern stuff. But with vintage and prewar, you can encounter a black hole of logic that will result both in the card not getting slabbed and you getting slabbed in a padded room.

What is it you're trying to get graded?

Arthur

I've personally had really good luck more times than I could count with getting entirely new issues slabbed that were never previously on PSA research dept. radar when it comes to vintage and prewar, 1900-1940's stuff. As long as you provide a link to a reliable source with set info and/or checklist, you're usually good to go. Sometimes it may take a round or 3 of N9's, but they get slabbed eventually.

ReggieCleveland

Oh yeah, if it's cataloged in a hobby reference it's not hard at all. I thought the OP said it wasn't cataloged anywhere.

Arthur

secretstash

@ReggieCleveland said:
Oh yeah, if it's cataloged in a hobby reference it's not hard at all. I thought the OP said it wasn't cataloged anywhere.

Arthur

yeah its uncataloged from what I can find anywhere.

miwlvrn

@ReggieCleveland said:
Oh yeah, if it's cataloged in a hobby reference it's not hard at all. I thought the OP said it wasn't cataloged anywhere.

Arthur

Certainly true, but it doesn't have to be cataloged in a hobby reference, and can be more obscure than that, and uncataloged sets can be graded too. If you can provide a link to say for example somewhere where a person has scanned all the pages of the original cigarette/sticker/etc. album from which you can generate a checklist; or, a link to a reputable blog source where you can find the checklist even if you don't have scans of everything, you'll be good to go, despite the data not being published in a hobby reference book or similar. Links to ebay pages can sometimes work but aren't the best choices even if the whole set is scanned because those pages tend to time out and disappear by the time your order gets opened up and graded, so find something a little more permanent for scan photos if you can. If you can't find a web link where someone has helped you out with either scans or a good list, then depending on how badly you want your item graded, sometimes you have to buy the whole set even if you're only interested in a single card, just so that you have the ability to provide the PSA research dept. with the checklist info.

ReggieCleveland

@miwlvrn said:

@ReggieCleveland said:
Oh yeah, if it's cataloged in a hobby reference it's not hard at all. I thought the OP said it wasn't cataloged anywhere.

Arthur

Certainly true, but it doesn't have to be cataloged in a hobby reference, and can be more obscure than that, and uncataloged sets can be graded too. If you can provide a link to say for example somewhere where a person has scanned all the pages of the original cigarette/sticker/etc. album from which you can generate a checklist; or, a link to a reputable blog source where you can find the checklist even if you don't have scans of everything, you'll be good to go, despite the data not being published in a hobby reference book or similar. Links to ebay pages can sometimes work but aren't the best choices even if the whole set is scanned because those pages tend to time out and disappear by the time your order gets opened up and graded, so find something a little more permanent for scan photos if you can. If you can't find a web link where someone has helped you out with either scans or a good list, then depending on how badly you want your item graded, sometimes you have to buy the whole set even if you're only interested in a single card, just so that you have the ability to provide the PSA research dept. with the checklist info.

That's cataloged. In this day and age, there aren't that many print hobby references. The vast majority are online in one form or another. The OP is talking about something that isn't recognized anywhere. That's going to be the real trick. As someone who has tried time and time again (and know others who have tried many, many times more) to get PSA to slab something unrecognized in the prewar era, it's nearly impossible. Heck, they won't grade boxing Exhibits even though they grade baseball exhibits from the same period. They won't grade Star basketball even though they grade Star baseball from the same period. I literally have dozens and dozens of uncataloged prewar cards that PSA won't touch. Even Adam Warshaw, who literally wrote the book on American boxing cards (an invaluable reference if you're collecting boxing cards/memorabilia), can get nowhere with PSA on many instances despite overwhelming evidence.

Like I said, I'm sure it's easier with modern cards as finding supporting evidence is more feasible. But to suggest that, in general, getting unrecognized issues slabbed by PSA is easy, is a bit misleading.

Arthur

miwlvrn

Agreed, Warshaw's book is definitely a good source for American issue stuff! You're right, it is very odd that baseball exhibits are graded by PSA but not boxing ones, which seems inconsistent to say the least. I prefer my items to be graded by PSA over SGC, but SGC will slab a lot more different sets than PSA, including those on which PSA has deemed "No Longer Grading" status.

I guess I hadn't thought about checklists compiled on blogs being "cataloged" in the same manner as a printed publication, but it makes sense now that you mention it, relative to modern communications era.

It's amazing how useful translate.google has been for searching foreign websites for the scans that eventually got many of my prewar items graded, considering how often I wouldn't have been able to find the info I needed if I had only searched in English!

miwlvrn

I should also mention that you have to be prepared for a much longer time at PSA when subbing new items though. I've had a lot of orders go for 80 to 95 business days T.A.T. (yes, business, not calendar), but the extra wait is worth it, even if frustrating, if the end result is that they do incorporate the info you've provided into their database and subsequently return your foreign/oddball items with grades instead of N9.

ReggieCleveland

@miwlvrn said:
It's amazing how useful translate.google has been for searching foreign websites for the scans that eventually got many of my prewar items graded, considering how often I wouldn't have been able to find the info I needed if I had only searched in English!

I had a bit of a moment of clarity some years ago when I found myself using the bathroom while using Google translate to negotiate a deal with someone in Argentina for some rare prewar boxing cards. What a world.

Arthur

JoeBanzai

PSA will not add a card that hasn't been cataloged somewhere..........................unless they decide to. This statement will make more and more sense to you as you deal with trying to update a master set.

I have several cards that ARE cataloged and PSA won't add them. The one that really confuses me is;

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05)

@ReggieCleveland said:

@miwlvrn said:

@ReggieCleveland said:
Oh yeah, if it's cataloged in a hobby reference it's not hard at all. I thought the OP said it wasn't cataloged anywhere.

Arthur

Certainly true, but it doesn't have to be cataloged in a hobby reference, and can be more obscure than that, and uncataloged sets can be graded too. If you can provide a link to say for example somewhere where a person has scanned all the pages of the original cigarette/sticker/etc. album from which you can generate a checklist; or, a link to a reputable blog source where you can find the checklist even if you don't have scans of everything, you'll be good to go, despite the data not being published in a hobby reference book or similar. Links to ebay pages can sometimes work but aren't the best choices even if the whole set is scanned because those pages tend to time out and disappear by the time your order gets opened up and graded, so find something a little more permanent for scan photos if you can. If you can't find a web link where someone has helped you out with either scans or a good list, then depending on how badly you want your item graded, sometimes you have to buy the whole set even if you're only interested in a single card, just so that you have the ability to provide the PSA research dept. with the checklist info.

That's cataloged. In this day and age, there aren't that many print hobby references. The vast majority are online in one form or another. The OP is talking about something that isn't recognized anywhere. That's going to be the real trick. As someone who has tried time and time again (and know others who have tried many, many times more) to get PSA to slab something unrecognized in the prewar era, it's nearly impossible. Heck, they won't grade boxing Exhibits even though they grade baseball exhibits from the same period. They won't grade Star basketball even though they grade Star baseball from the same period. I literally have dozens and dozens of uncataloged prewar cards that PSA won't touch. Even Adam Warshaw, who literally wrote the book on American boxing cards (an invaluable reference if you're collecting boxing cards/memorabilia), can get nowhere with PSA on many instances despite overwhelming evidence.

Like I said, I'm sure it's easier with modern cards as finding supporting evidence is more feasible. But to suggest that, in general, getting unrecognized issues slabbed by PSA is easy, is a bit misleading.

Arthur

so they wont grade boxing exhibits ?

miwlvrn

@lawyer05 said:

so they wont grade boxing exhibits ?

Nope. No idea why though. If you want them graded, you have to use SGC as your service provider.

There are 26 of them out there in PSA slabs if you want to purchase them already graded.

https://psacard.com/pop/boxing-wrestling-cards-mma/1948/exhibits-boxing-no-longer-grading/33015/