@craig44 said:
The card the op received was NOT the agreed upon card. This is a simple case of fraud.
He can't prove that. There is really no way to prove what was sent or received.
Again, the guy knew what he was doing. You have a civil dispute you can't prove. These are collectables, virtually indistinguishable from each other. Slabs can be opened and cards swapped out, as anyone would have to admit in court(this nixes it right there). Value is highly subjective and "established" based upon a small sample of unverifiable sales in many cases. A court will likely request the OP and "the scammer" go to a mediator because a jury can't make any determination of fact here. All "the scammer" has to say is "I sent the right card, this guy is trying to scam ME!!". Nobody can prove otherwise. This is why it is sooooo stupid to trade high dollar cards over the interwebs with people you don't know(especially in foreign countries) - neither party can prove what they sent or received and you are stuck in this scenario if the other person turns out to be unscrupulous.
Can't they just locate the card in question as proof? It looks like it was sold by PWCC in August to "3***t" .
I am on the OP side and I wish the scammer would be thrown in jail for life but from a legal standpoint the OP can not prove he sent the card he actually says he sent. The card was auctioned as stated above but the OP can not prove this is the same card he shipped to the scammer.
As far as the guy saying his best bet was probably to kick down his garage door when he left and made yourself whole right then and there is silly as you would be jailed and convicted for breaking and entering.
I just realized my post above is erroneous as the Gretzky was not the card the OP shipped to the scammer but the 86 Jordan. Anyway the bottom line is the OP has no proof he shipped the Jordan to the scammer or proof the scammer did not ship the correct card to him. If the scammer holds his story and stays cool I do not see how you can recover anything. Hope I am wrong and the scammer gives in and makes you whole.
If this card was sold in August I would think the chain of ownership could be verified. Did the scumbag purchase this card in August and have it available for trade or did it never cross his hands.
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I am on the OP side and I wish the scammer would be thrown in jail for life but from a legal standpoint the OP can not prove he sent the card he actually says he sent. The card was auctioned as stated above but the OP can not prove this is the same card he shipped to the scammer.
As far as the guy saying his best bet was probably to kick down his garage door when he left and made yourself whole right then and there is silly as you would be jailed and convicted for breaking and entering.
I just realized my post above is erroneous as the Gretzky was not the card the OP shipped to the scammer but the 86 Jordan. Anyway the bottom line is the OP has no proof he shipped the Jordan to the scammer or proof the scammer did not ship the correct card to him. If the scammer holds his story and stays cool I do not see how you can recover anything. Hope I am wrong and the scammer gives in and makes you whole.
If this card was sold in August I would think the chain of ownership could be verified. Did the scumbag purchase this card in August and have it available for trade or did it never cross his hands.
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Ralph