The infamous and rare 1875-s Trade Dollar with No PERIOD after FINE, Photo up now.
afford
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I believe it does exist and have been looking for one ever since I heard of its possible existence a couple of years ago. I finally came across two examples of the infamous 1875-s I/I no period after FINE Large S and Medium S chop marked but they unfortunately turned out to be both. Then Keoj found an example and sent it into PCGS where also it came back counterfeit, his was the same die marriage as mine, if memory serves me he has found two examples with counterfeit of course and both the same die marriage. And Jack Beymer had one too that he found years ago, also the same die marriage, but he determined later that the period could have been removed, I believe it is a counterfeit. BTW Jack Beymer discovered the 1876-cc Doubled Die Reverse as noted in Bowers Trade Dollar book besides being a noted dealer.
So it appears that no one has yet found an example. So does one exist that is the question?
Happy hunting!
Oh btw I realize that nobody else amongst the Trade Dollar collectors cares about such mundane matters, but at least a few guys think it is worthwhile.
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Where did you hear about this one? There are plenty of coins where the comma appears as a period. Perhaps a filled die would explain the rarity of a no period coin and there should only be a few around if they exist at all.
this thread has excellent potential for some forum drama
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I apologize! I read the post incorrectly and NO PHOTO was posted. I wrote about the comma after "Grains."
I have seen T$ w/o the period but I cannot recall their dates. Thankfully, you and others have. Thanks for the "new" info. I'll start looking.
PS If it is on the '76 and '77 Micro "S" coins, I should think it's a characteristic of that hub.
There is, on page 964 of the Mega Redbook, an 1876CC without the period after 'FINE'....it is not mentioned as a variety. So not sure if you are specifically seeking the S Trade Dollars... or ANY Trade Dollars without the period. Cheers, RickO
@afford... .You may well be right.... in the picture though... under 20X magnification, it is not visible. Cheers, RickO
That is some terrific photography. I wish I knew how to get a slab pic like that.
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The coin above does appear to be missing the period. Are 74-S without the period common. I have one?
Ok, I also have a 75-S that you have to get at just the right angle to see the period. I hope you get what you are hoping for.
did afford post a photo? Shocking!
Congratulations
That’s a real coin?
I mean, no disrespect to our hosts, but my first thought was FAAAAKKKKEEEE
My first thought was harshly cleaned.
Surfaces are amazing. Is it real and unadulterated?
Lance.
I lol-ed.
Your post is worthless when you praise Peter L&C coins here then question the integrity of both in another freshly started thread.
Can’t even see his posts but would like to help Fine tune your message.
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
You mentioned some die cracks, are they on the obv,rev, or both?
If your going to mention what I private messaged you don't forget the you behaving like an idiot part.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Thanks, I have one with the dot. I need to look for the cracks. So, what I am wondering is, if the cracks on the dot and no-dot varieties are the same, this would suggest that a few coins were struck with the no-dot die, then someone with a punctuation obsession realized that there was a dot-deficiency issue, the dot was added, and more coins were struck with dot until the die was retired.
Now, I have always thought that die cracks took a while to develop, due to stress from usage. So if the cracks on Afford's example are very faint, perhaps they were in an early stage of development. So there might be some dotless examples out there with no die cracks at all.
In deference to the thread title, I propose that this variety be dubbed the Menopause reverse. And if a colorfully toned example is found, that it be named Hot Flashes. (Aurora Borealis, take note)
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Good luck with the search and keep us posted, please.
You have your work cut out for you. I just looked at mine over at CollectiveCoin and can't see any easily visible cracks. Too bad it isn't something simple like a missing serif on a letter.
@afford
I have been recording the DC's on most T$ I examine for a long time. Dumb me never bothered to record the period because I was not focusing on it. I know that one Trade dollar researcher recently published that he never noticed that the 2M reverse hub he discovered in the 1990's was actually two different hubs after looking at these coins for decades! That makes me feel better. LOL.
I shall look at my files and see what I may be able to add.
Mine (with dot) was in my desk. So I just inspected it. on the obv there is a fine die crack from star 5 the splits in two at the tip of the olive branch, with the lowest division extending about to star 4. On the rev, no die cracks. (what I thought was die polish, I now think are roller/drawing bench marks so not significant).
Took a closer look, yes on the repunched 1. No on the other die cracks, except for the one from the rim to star 4 to the leaf to the rim (I thought it divided, but just a circulation mark). and no rev die cracks. so looks like we have the same obv die but different states.
if the position of the mintmark is exactly the same, then it's the same rev. die, right? Mine early state, bold dot, no die cracks. Yours later die state, period fading away until it's completely gone. See, I was right. Menopause.