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Well, I'm not seeing it, but it must be there... but HOW?

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    originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭✭

    Messin' round at the mint in the days before cameras keeping an eye on things.

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    originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭✭

    As for where it is, I think a bit of Liberty's chin around the eagle's tail is still visible?

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017 10:57AM

    I don't see it :disappointed:

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The (light) die break between the tail & the A.

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,899 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017 11:24AM

    1857 1C Obv Die Clash with $20 FS-403 S-7 (29 coins attributed through PCGS, with none in Mint State...yet.)

    Pick-Up Points from PCGS CoinFacts;

    For the 1857 Flying Eagle cent with a Clashed $20 Double Eagle variety, the obverse of the 1857 Flying Eagle cent displays slight traces of a $20 double eagle design.

    The tip of Liberty’s nose from the $20 double eagle can be seen towards the top of the M in AMERICA on the 1857 Flying eagle cent.

    The upper portion of Liberty’s nose from the $20 double eagle extends to the top of the A of AMERICA and right above the F in OF on the 1857 Flying eagle cent's obverse.

    Liberty’s lips from the $20 double eagle can also be noticed on the back leg of the R in AMERICA on the 1857 Flying eagle cent's obverse.

    Liberty’s chin from the $20 double eagle can be seen below the C and A of AMERICA on the 1857 Flying eagle cent's obverse.

    The front part of liberty’s neck from the $20 double eagle can be seen running down vertically through the eagle’s talons on the 1857 Flying eagle cent's obverse.

    Liberty’s hair strands from the $20 double eagle can be seen running down vertically below the eagle’s beak on the 1857 Flying eagle cent's obverse.

    http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/37376

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is that a fair price for this? I think it's kind of cool but don't know the value in worn grades.

    peacockcoins

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Treashunt said: "The (light) die break between the tail & the A."

    I think Frank means the (light) clash mark between the tail & the "A."

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @originalisbest said:
    As for where it is, I think a bit of Liberty's chin around the eagle's tail is still visible?

    Ahhhhhhh...... YEP!
    Better buy this one QUICK !!! :|

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    @Treashunt said: "The (light) die break between the tail & the A."

    I think Frank means the (light) clash mark between the tail & the "A."

    YES, but it is easier to see if you visualize it as a die crack, otherwise they may not see it.

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They MUST have sent that one in with a note.

    Sure can't imagine a grader...."catching" it.
    But.....????????????????

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017 12:46PM

    Good point! So I'll say that 1857 Large Cent in this thread is a beauty! :)

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    KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Better go Fly home and check mine :wink:

    Best place to buy !
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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said: "They MUST have sent that one in with a note. Sure can't imagine a grader...."catching" it."

    While the submitter may have indicated the variety on the forum, IMO, any grader who missed this one should be sent home for the day to study. Every so often something MIGHT slip past but the days of the TPGS missing obvious varieties (1980's) is over.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can see it when guided by the Coinfacts descriptions, however, would likely overlook it at a show or in a shop if not attributed.... Cheers, RickO

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This was a prize "cherry" for the knowledgeable folks before that darn "Cherrypicker's" book was published. :(

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Apparently,,,,, the "cherry" isn't being picked for $425. ;)

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    originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭✭

    That's the retail price of that particular cherry, I guess.

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Alternative to "silver center." :D

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool overlay, though. Kudos.

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    Beefer518Beefer518 Posts: 33 ✭✭✭

    There are three well-known mule clashes for the FE series.

    1857 MDC-001, -002, and -003 (also known as FS-403, -901, -402 respectively).

    MDC-001 (FS-403) is the most rare. It is the obverse die of the 1857 FE cent clashed with the obverse die of the 1857 $20 Liberty Head gold coin

    MDC-002 (FS-901) is the reverse die of the '57 FE cent clashed with the reverse die of the 1857 Liberty Seated 25¢

    MDC-003 (FS-402) is the obverse FE die (again '57) clashed with the obverse die of the '57 Liberty Seated 50¢. This is the most readily available variety of the three. (I have 2).

    The MDC-001(FS-403) goes for about $1800 in VF20, but in this grade is worth about $100.

    There are different theories on how they came to be. Some say it was two night watchman playing around with dies when nobody was looking. Others think they happened purely by accident during the switching of dies from one denomination to the other. I prefer the first theory, only because it sounds like more fun.

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    CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beefer - you gotta tell me about that avatar. I am guessing there is a story behind it.

    “In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Beefer518Beefer518 Posts: 33 ✭✭✭

    @Cameonut said:
    Beefer - you gotta tell me about that avatar. I am guessing there is a story behind it.

    LOL. Not really. When I was doing a Franklin set, I found this on ebay for $6, and decided I liked it enough to buy it. And quite frankly, in hand, it's very well done, and I'm glad I bought it, Was going to use it as a keychain, but it's too nice for that.

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    S-7 Clash with the $20 gold piece die.

    Larry

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    S-9 Clash with the Seated Half.

    Larry

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    S-8 Clash with the Seated Quarter.

    Larry

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The matching quarter with the clash from the cent. Thank you Todd for the images.

    Larry

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    thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017 9:26PM

    The discovery coin for this variety (in about the same condition only brighter) was sent to ANA in Washington. The submitter did not know his coin was special and Mike, the authenticator who discovered it, studied the coin on and off for two days before he figured out what it was. In the 1970's these things were unknown. After this turned up, others (unknown to me) discovered the FE clashes. I suspect they were looking for the clashed reverse on a cent.

    @ldhair said: "The matching quarter with the clash from the cent. Thank you Todd for the images."

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There has been a lot of study done on these coins. We will never know for sure, how they came about. Pilliod, Snow, Bowers and others have printed some great information. Fun stuff for those with an interest in clashed die coins.

    Larry

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