Indian with a goatee?

jesbroken

Nice Buffalo Nickel with, I assume, clashing. I am supposing it is UNUM.
Jim

jwitten

Ok, this is going to sounds weird, but has anyone seen an actual native american (back in the day pictures, not ones that are today) with facial hair? Did they just shave all the time, or what?

koynekwest

Yes-that is clashing-the motto "E PLURIBUS UNUM" from the reverse. Years ago they were called "chin whiskers."

koynekwest

Here is a representation of a clash-none will be anywhere close to the complete clash shown here but you can see how the EPU could simulate whiskers.

jesbroken

Thanks, Ron. Nice representation. Looks really good and shows the variables.
Jim

Walkerguy21D

Very cool superimposed images to show the clashing!

coinpro76

@jwitten said:
Ok, this is going to sounds weird, but has anyone seen an actual native american (back in the day pictures, not ones that are today) with facial hair? Did they just shave all the time, or what?

"All pure-blooded native Americans (whom the old pictures are mostly of) are ultimately descended from Siberian peoples who came over from Asia beginning about 40,000 years ago. These people grow fairly scant beards, more on the chin than on the cheeks. But early European descriptions of various native American cultures indicate that they plucked their beards, either by hand or with tweezers made of wood or shell. Some were said to have found facial hair unsightly and an indication of barbarism. Photographs of native Americans would have been taken a couple of centuries after they began to have contact with Europeans and got access to metal razors "

There are some examples of older chiefs who supported facial hair on their upper lips like in the Navajo tribe.
Also It was a high class thing to have your photo taken, not exactly cheap I am assuming and those who had Native Americans pose for photos, had a barber shave them. Great thought no one really questions that do they?

Treashunt

common die clash

They even show without a date.

jwitten

@coinpro76 said:

@jwitten said:
Ok, this is going to sounds weird, but has anyone seen an actual native american (back in the day pictures, not ones that are today) with facial hair? Did they just shave all the time, or what?

"All pure-blooded native Americans (whom the old pictures are mostly of) are ultimately descended from Siberian peoples who came over from Asia beginning about 40,000 years ago. These people grow fairly scant beards, more on the chin than on the cheeks. But early European descriptions of various native American cultures indicate that they plucked their beards, either by hand or with tweezers made of wood or shell. Some were said to have found facial hair unsightly and an indication of barbarism. Photographs of native Americans would have been taken a couple of centuries after they began to have contact with Europeans and got access to metal razors "

There are some examples of older chiefs who supported facial hair on their upper lips like in the Navajo tribe.
Also It was a high class thing to have your photo taken, not exactly cheap I am assuming and those who had Native Americans pose for photos, had a barber shave them. Great thought no one really questions that do they?

Very interesting. Yes, it was something I never even thought of before, and it just hit me that I had never seen one with a beard before. I have a little Indian in my blood (like I'm sure many americans do now), so it was interesting to figure out why that was.

koynekwest

Thanks, Jim and Walkerguy21D!

I have a friend who's largely Native American and he never had much of a beard. Has a decent moustache, tho.

ricko

Nice clash... I do not have one of those among my herd.... Cheers, RickO

koynekwest

These clashes can be affected a lot in appearance when the die rotates, even to a slight degree.