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Need the DD experts. 1956 Proof my pain is doubled butt I'm wrong a lot

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2, 2017 3:03PM

    Not doubled die.

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Not doubled die.

    What do you think it is then because about the W Stephanie not mechanical bubbling it's too thick and two raised and it's also notched out and mechanical doubling is not notched

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @Insider2 said:
    Not doubled die.

    What do you think it is then because about the W Stephanie not mechanical bubbling it's too thick and two raised and it's also notched out and mechanical doubling is not notched

    Lol that came out so wrong

  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 7,898 ✭✭✭✭

    Nope. Not DD.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Much of what you are seeing is probably reflected glare from the coin's surface. It makes things look double. Do you own a florescent light? Also, I believe the Proofs that year were struck twice. Often the second strike is offset a bit.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,532 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The problem I have with you is your pictures. Damn they are TOO big. And, you never show the whole coin in one pic. Please consider different pics.

    bob

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said: "The problem I have with you is your pictures. Damn they are TOO big. And, you never show the whole coin in one pic. Please consider different pics."

    While I feel your pain and agree about the image quality, one thing that makes me ROTFL is when someone posts a photo of a tiny characteristic on a coin and a few posters ask to see the whole side or the other side of the coin when 97% of the time it has no bearing on the discussion.

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Much of what you are seeing is probably reflected glare from the coin's surface. It makes things look double. Do you own a florescent light? Also, I believe the Proofs that year were struck twice. Often the second strike is offset a bit.

    The glare I could tell the difference and no should I get one ? And that would make sense

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    The problem I have with you is your pictures. Damn they are TOO big. And, you never show the whole coin in one pic. Please consider different pics.

    bob

    The only reason there so big is so I can try to show everyone the little details I was looking at. So I'm sorry if that cuases anyone a headache. How would you recommend I take pictures differently. Maybe different lighting too?

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @AUandAG said:
    The problem I have with you is your pictures. Damn they are TOO big. And, you never show the whole coin in one pic. Please consider different pics.

    bob

    The only reason there so big is so I can try to show everyone the little details I was looking at. So I'm sorry if that cuases anyone a headache. How would you recommend I take pictures differently. Maybe different lighting too?

    Tough love: It appears that you are examining your coins somewhere between 30 - 45X. This is what some call "fly-speck" numismatics. Virtually anything you find on a coin at those powers of magnification may be interesting plus you'll learn a few things; but it will probably be worth less than you might think. ;)

    Question? Do you own any books about coins? Yes or no? WHAT ARE THEY? If you don't answer this, I will not post with you again or look at your threads >:) Now that's me >:) and I have a very cold <3 .

    Many of us started where you are now and we have managed to make a comfortable living playing with coins - our hobby! If you spend 1/2 of the time you spend looking at coins now and split it up READING about how coins are made and what can go wrong to produce a "mint error, you will develop much faster and enjoy what you see more when you are looking.

    BTW, I look at coins all day with a microscope - some at the powers you are using. There are things to see on our coins that perhaps less than 20% of numismatists will ever see! But first, I needed to find out what I was seeing by reading, taking classes, and asking questions. I didn't have the luxury of the Internet as today's lucky collectors. Tears and whining plus self-pity ,, turning to ROTFL! :p

    The important thing - you already found this out - is to have fun with coins no matter what you are doing. If you don't look, you won't find.

    Now, what books do you own? Then we can all give you some suggestions.

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @AUandAG said:
    The problem I have with you is your pictures. Damn they are TOO big. And, you never show the whole coin in one pic. Please consider different pics.

    bob

    The only reason there so big is so I can try to show everyone the little details I was looking at. So I'm sorry if that cuases anyone a headache. How would you recommend I take pictures differently. Maybe different lighting too?

    Tough love: It appears that you are examining your coins somewhere between 30 - 45X. This is what some call "fly-speck" numismatics. Virtually anything you find on a coin at those powers of magnification may be interesting plus you'll learn a few things; but it will probably be worth less than you might think. ;)

    Question? Do you own any books about coins? Yes or no? WHAT ARE THEY? If you don't answer this, I will not post with you again or look at your threads >:) Now that's me >:) and I have a very cold <3 .

    Many of us started where you are now and we have managed to make a comfortable living playing with coins - our hobby! If you spend 1/2 of the time you spend looking at coins now and split it up READING about how coins are made and what can go wrong to produce a "mint error, you will develop much faster and enjoy what you see more when you are looking.

    BTW, I look at coins all day with a microscope - some at the powers you are using. There are things to see on our coins that perhaps less than 20% of numismatists will ever see! But first, I needed to find out what I was seeing by reading, taking classes, and asking questions. I didn't have the luxury of the Internet as today's lucky collectors. Tears and whining plus self-pity ,, turning to ROTFL! :p

    The important thing - you already found this out - is to have fun with coins no matter what you are doing. If you don't look, you won't find.

    Now, what books do you own? Then we can all give you some suggestions.

    So I own a couple of books. The cherry picker guide, the red book, the experts guide to collecting and investing in rare coins and those are it. The loop I look through and take pics is 16× magnification. And yes I understand the minor things don't mean much in numismatic terms but I enjoy looking for the minor details. The money part somewhat matters to me but really I like collecting because I love it . This hobby keeps me content and happy. And I'm ok with tough love . Constructive criticism I feel can only help build my knowledge as a collector and I do value everybody's opinions and insight :)

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What you show are examples of machine doubling and "doubling" due to a small metal flow around the raised lettering. At least that what I can gather from the images. It would be in your best interest to do a search on google for doubled dies versus machine doubling.

    There is some good info out there. Use that info to refine your choice of questions you ask and images you post here. You may get to a meaningful answer much more quickly.

    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @astrorat said:
    What you show are examples of machine doubling and "doubling" due to a small metal flow around the raised lettering. At least that what I can gather from the images. It would be in your best interest to do a search on google for doubled dies versus machine doubling.

    There is some good info out there. Use that info to refine your choice of questions you ask and images you post here. You may get to a meaningful answer much more quickly.

    I will do that. Thank you for the insight sir

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You seem to have the right attitude but if you can't see it with 10X magnification (some say 5X) it ain't worth worrying about unless you're lookin' to get credit for a new discovery of a very minor doubled die.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    16X Loupes are nice.......if you really want to zero in on something. Everyday examination of coins with a 10X would be sufficient.

    My humble opinion.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    You seem to have the right attitude but if you can't see it with 10X magnification (some say 5X) it ain't worth worrying about unless you're lookin' to get credit for a new discovery of a very minor doubled die.

    I feel it's more so I just enjoy looking for them but hey that would be nice too and thank you for the advice I might go get a 10 × loop

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    16X Loupes are nice.......if you really want to zero in on something. Everyday examination of coins with a 10X would be sufficient.

    My humble opinion.

    Pete

    Noted sir thank you

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It look_like machine doubling to me also, but I think I see notching on the "E" in W"E."
    I use a 20x for closeup work, but my eyes are so bad (extremely nearsighted) that I can almost spot minor doubling without a loupe at all. NIce adaptation for variety work! :)
    I guess my eyes can't see more than 3" in front of my face, but close-up, I have microscopes built-in, lol.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To the OP: Once you "get"it, that is, once you are able to instantly dismiss machine doubling...it will open up a new world for you.
    You'll go back to old "oddities" you salted away or put in 2x2's and laugh, and shake your head at your old self.
    It will happen. You just have to be able to tell the difference.
    Look at enough doubled dies and it will become clearer.
    I would recommend "The Authoritative Guide to Lincoln Cents" by Wexler and Flynn. Should be able to find it online reasonably priced, I would think, as it is somewhat out of date, but the pics are good and it should help you start to tell the difference.
    www.coppercoins.com is a WONDERFUL resource......I use it often and also float them a few bucks now and then via PayPal because it's such a great site.
    Variety Vista is also good.
    Go to shows and look at specialists' material. That may be the best way for you to learn.
    Most of us "variety guys" are willing to help and we love to talk about our discoveries, minute claims to fame, etc. with someone who is interested in varieties.
    Sometimes we tend to bore the "regular" guys.
    Although don't get me wrong, I love "regular" coins almost as much! :):)

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @AUandAG said:
    The problem I have with you is your pictures. Damn they are TOO big. And, you never show the whole coin in one pic. Please consider different pics.

    bob

    The only reason there so big is so I can try to show everyone the little details I was looking at. So I'm sorry if that cuases anyone a headache. How would you recommend I take pictures differently. Maybe different lighting too?

    Tough love: It appears that you are examining your coins somewhere between 30 - 45X. This is what some call "fly-speck" numismatics. Virtually anything you find on a coin at those powers of magnification may be interesting plus you'll learn a few things; but it will probably be worth less than you might think. ;)

    Question? Do you own any books about coins? Yes or no? WHAT ARE THEY? If you don't answer this, I will not post with you again or look at your threads >:) Now that's me >:) and I have a very cold <3 .

    Many of us started where you are now and we have managed to make a comfortable living playing with coins - our hobby! If you spend 1/2 of the time you spend looking at coins now and split it up READING about how coins are made and what can go wrong to produce a "mint error, you will develop much faster and enjoy what you see more when you are looking.

    BTW, I look at coins all day with a microscope - some at the powers you are using. There are things to see on our coins that perhaps less than 20% of numismatists will ever see! But first, I needed to find out what I was seeing by reading, taking classes, and asking questions. I didn't have the luxury of the Internet as today's lucky collectors. Tears and whining plus self-pity ,, turning to ROTFL! :p

    The important thing - you already found this out - is to have fun with coins no matter what you are doing. If you don't look, you won't find.

    Now, what books do you own? Then we can all give you some suggestions.

    So I own a couple of books. The cherry picker guide, the red book, the experts guide to collecting and investing in rare coins and those are it. The loop I look through and take pics is 16× magnification. And yes I understand the minor things don't mean much in numismatic terms but I enjoy looking for the minor details. The money part somewhat matters to me but really I like collecting because I love it . This hobby keeps me content and happy. And I'm ok with tough love . Constructive criticism I feel can only help build my knowledge as a collector and I do value everybody's opinions and insight :)

    I like your enthusiasm, Dagingerbeasttt.

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @mannie gray said:

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @AUandAG said:
    The problem I have with you is your pictures. Damn they are TOO big. And, you never show the whole coin in one pic. Please consider different pics.

    bob

    The only reason there so big is so I can try to show everyone the little details I was looking at. So I'm sorry if that cuases anyone a headache. How would you recommend I take pictures differently. Maybe different lighting too?

    Tough love: It appears that you are examining your coins somewhere between 30 - 45X. This is what some call "fly-speck" numismatics. Virtually anything you find on a coin at those powers of magnification may be interesting plus you'll learn a few things; but it will probably be worth less than you might think. ;)

    Question? Do you own any books about coins? Yes or no? WHAT ARE THEY? If you don't answer this, I will not post with you again or look at your threads >:) Now that's me >:) and I have a very cold <3 .

    Many of us started where you are now and we have managed to make a comfortable living playing with coins - our hobby! If you spend 1/2 of the time you spend looking at coins now and split it up READING about how coins are made and what can go wrong to produce a "mint error, you will develop much faster and enjoy what you see more when you are looking.

    BTW, I look at coins all day with a microscope - some at the powers you are using. There are things to see on our coins that perhaps less than 20% of numismatists will ever see! But first, I needed to find out what I was seeing by reading, taking classes, and asking questions. I didn't have the luxury of the Internet as today's lucky collectors. Tears and whining plus self-pity ,, turning to ROTFL! :p

    The important thing - you already found this out - is to have fun with coins no matter what you are doing. If you don't look, you won't find.

    Now, what books do you own? Then we can all give you some suggestions.

    So I own a couple of books. The cherry picker guide, the red book, the experts guide to collecting and investing in rare coins and those are it. The loop I look through and take pics is 16× magnification. And yes I understand the minor things don't mean much in numismatic terms but I enjoy looking for the minor details. The money part somewhat matters to me but really I like collecting because I love it . This hobby keeps me content and happy. And I'm ok with tough love . Constructive criticism I feel can only help build my knowledge as a collector and I do value everybody's opinions and insight :)

    I like your enthusiasm, Dagingerbeasttt.

    Thanks man. I'm more of a error guy so yeah lol. And I use variety Vista and Wexler Lincoln cents quite often the whole thing with this post I noticed that there was a mechanical doubling a lot of it but for some reason I thought the W was not mechanically doubled because I thought it was knocked out in the race but I'm still working through the differences on mechanical doubling and doubling and yes I'm sure one day I will laugh of what I put in my two by two holders but it'll be a good laugh LOL

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @mannie gray said:

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @AUandAG said:
    The problem I have with you is your pictures. Damn they are TOO big. And, you never show the whole coin in one pic. Please consider different pics.

    bob

    The only reason there so big is so I can try to show everyone the little details I was looking at. So I'm sorry if that cuases anyone a headache. How would you recommend I take pictures differently. Maybe different lighting too?

    Tough love: It appears that you are examining your coins somewhere between 30 - 45X. This is what some call "fly-speck" numismatics. Virtually anything you find on a coin at those powers of magnification may be interesting plus you'll learn a few things; but it will probably be worth less than you might think. ;)

    Question? Do you own any books about coins? Yes or no? WHAT ARE THEY? If you don't answer this, I will not post with you again or look at your threads >:) Now that's me >:) and I have a very cold <3 .

    Many of us started where you are now and we have managed to make a comfortable living playing with coins - our hobby! If you spend 1/2 of the time you spend looking at coins now and split it up READING about how coins are made and what can go wrong to produce a "mint error, you will develop much faster and enjoy what you see more when you are looking.

    BTW, I look at coins all day with a microscope - some at the powers you are using. There are things to see on our coins that perhaps less than 20% of numismatists will ever see! But first, I needed to find out what I was seeing by reading, taking classes, and asking questions. I didn't have the luxury of the Internet as today's lucky collectors. Tears and whining plus self-pity ,, turning to ROTFL! :p

    The important thing - you already found this out - is to have fun with coins no matter what you are doing. If you don't look, you won't find.

    Now, what books do you own? Then we can all give you some suggestions.

    So I own a couple of books. The cherry picker guide, the red book, the experts guide to collecting and investing in rare coins and those are it. The loop I look through and take pics is 16× magnification. And yes I understand the minor things don't mean much in numismatic terms but I enjoy looking for the minor details. The money part somewhat matters to me but really I like collecting because I love it . This hobby keeps me content and happy. And I'm ok with tough love . Constructive criticism I feel can only help build my knowledge as a collector and I do value everybody's opinions and insight :)

    I like your enthusiasm, Dagingerbeasttt.

    Thanks man. I'm more of a error guy so yeah lol. And I use variety Vista and Wexler Lincoln cents quite often the whole thing with this post I noticed that there was a mechanical doubling a lot of it but for some reason I thought the W was not mechanically doubled because I thought it was knocked out in the race but I'm still working through the differences on mechanical doubling and doubling and yes I'm sure one day I will laugh of what I put in my two by two holders but it'll be a good laugh LOL

    Notched and raised the same as the original w typos LOL

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Dagingerbeasttt..... Yep, mechanical doubling... but keep looking.... the DD's are out there and when you find one, it will be super obvious..... By the way... looking at your forum 'handle'...are you a red head?? :D;) Cheers, RickO

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Dagingerbeasttt Those books are a great start. Make sure you read the part you read the intro and minting Process in the Cherrypickers Guide. AT LEAST Twice. B)

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    @Dagingerbeasttt..... Yep, mechanical doubling... but keep looking.... the DD's are out there and when you find one, it will be super obvious..... By the way... looking at your forum 'handle'...are you a red head?? :D;) Cheers, RickO

    Lol red and proud

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @Dagingerbeasttt said:

    @ricko said:
    @Dagingerbeasttt..... Yep, mechanical doubling... but keep looking.... the DD's are out there and when you find one, it will be super obvious..... By the way... looking at your forum 'handle'...are you a red head?? :D;) Cheers, RickO

    Lol red and proud

    I'm a hybrid Ginger LMAO

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    @Dagingerbeasttt Those books are a great start. Make sure you read the part you read the intro and minting Process in the Cherrypickers Guide. AT LEAST Twice. B)

    Okie man I'll be sure to do that. Thanks for all of the hell for information! On another note I visited a buddy's grandfather and we went through his coin collection a little bit and let me tell you I was gawking LOL

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wait until you attend a major coin show with several hundred dealers!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Dagingerbeasttt....Thought so.... My wife is a redhead....Cheers, RickO

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Wait until you attend a major coin show with several hundred dealers!

    I don't think I'm quite ready for that lol I know I would not be able to contain myself^_^

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    @Dagingerbeasttt....Thought so.... My wife is a redhead....Cheers, RickO

    Rotfl so then you already know redheads rule lol

  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭✭

    @Dagingerbeasttt
    (Great temperament.)
    Welcome to the boards.

  • dagingerbeastttdagingerbeasttt Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭

    @RegistryCoin said:
    @Dagingerbeasttt
    (Great temperament.)
    Welcome to the boards.

    Thanks man. I really enjoy being in the forum

  • dlmtortsdlmtorts Posts: 725 ✭✭✭

    I think some of your prctures depict light reflecting differently off the side of the letters than it reflects off the top. That is easily confused for doubling.

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