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2002-D Incomplete elliptical clip ( also could be PMD )

stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭
edited October 31, 2017 3:18PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Found this one in the change today .
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    GoldenEggGoldenEgg Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears to be a stain to me.

    An incomplete clip will appear as a very narrow trench, the goes below the fields.

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    stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭

    @GoldenEgg said:
    It appears to be a stain to me.

    An incomplete clip will appear as a very narrow trench, the goes below the fields.

    There's actually 2 trenches .

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    stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭

    @stash said:

    @GoldenEgg said:
    It appears to be a stain to me.

    An incomplete clip will appear as a very narrow trench, the goes below the fields.

    There's actually 2 trenches .

    Even through the face .

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It did look lie a stain but I see the depression. There should be a continuation of the mark over the rim right? I vote PMD.

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    PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Man that is weird...my first thought was stain until you posted this again, and then I thought some sort of strike through but detail of coin probably wouldn't be left underneath strike-through; so, maybe PMD? I don't know- the depressions are on both sides, and the depression on the left side of obverse seems irregular which leads me to believe PMD but I'd let the experts chime in- cool Rick!

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    stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭

    @PocketArt said:
    Man that is weird...my first thought was stain until you posted this again, and then I thought some sort of strike through but detail of coin probably wouldn't be left underneath strike-through; so, maybe PMD? I don't know- the depressions are on both sides, and the depression on the left side of obverse seems irregular which leads me to believe PMD but I'd let the experts chime in- cool Rick!

    The letters from A in States, to the letter in I in America, look bonded together .

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    GoldenEggGoldenEgg Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stash said:

    @stash said:

    @GoldenEgg said:
    It appears to be a stain to me.

    An incomplete clip will appear as a very narrow trench, the goes below the fields.

    There's actually 2 trenches .

    Even through the face .

    I am having trouble seeing them. However, I am certain it is not an incomplete clip, which would be a very thin, and sharp depression or "trench".

    @Insider2 said:
    It did look lie a stain but I see the depression. There should be a continuation of the mark over the rim right? I vote PMD.

    Yes. However the strike can close the depression and make it difficult to see in the design rim.

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    ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin is stained.

    Here is an incomplete clip .......

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What EOC says.

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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    In 2000, the copper plated planchets arrived at the mint already manufactured. The cent is no longer punched out as a whole and sent for upsetting of the rim, the copper is already thicker near the rim, so I really don't know if a elliptical clip can exists on a zinc Lincoln. Perhaps?

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How come the "stain" is INTO the coin's surface (looks like a drop-off along the edge). Isn't that unusual for a stain.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a stain that has slightly etched the surface of the cent...... Cheers, RickO

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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WoodenJefferson said:
    In 2000, the copper plated planchets arrived at the mint already manufactured. The cent is no longer punched out as a whole and sent for upsetting of the rim, the copper is already thicker near the rim, so I really don't know if a elliptical clip can exists on a zinc Lincoln. Perhaps?

    I have never seen a true elliptical clip on a zinc Lincoln, there are a few coins out there (in ANACS holders, no less) labeled as such but they are actually strike clips with zinc clearly visible along the edge. Because the planchets are plated after they are punched, any true post-82 Lincoln clip, elliptical or otherwise, will not have any zinc showing on the rim.

    I think the OP's coin is stained / corroded / damaged, mostly because there is no corresponding arc on the reverse of the coin. Every genuine incomplete clip I have seen or handled (and I own quite a few) has evidence of the error on both opposing faces.

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As mentioned in the other site sir,
    the coin is damaged, and isn't an
    error of any type.

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    stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭

    Thanks everybody for stopping by .
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 1, 2017 8:21AM

    Looks like another cent might have rested atop it during the winter.

    Looks like every zinc cent I find after the snow melts.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WoodenJefferson... the cent planchets are not punched out of strip at the Mint, but they have to be punched out of strip somewhere, so the possibility of an elliptical clip still exists.

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