Thanks, I made the correction. However,I should be more interested in reading your comment addressing the OP's question rather then getin an speling an grammer leson. I looked but did not see one yet.
Like I said are you smarter than a 2nd grader hmmm
@mr1874 said:
Modern era is 1934 to present. The Classic era ended in 1933. Goes by date not by series thus some series bridge the classic and modern eras.
If you agree with my opinion about this you have the correct opinion.
I admire my 1964 nickel for its timeless beauty, the imagination and artistry that went into its design, and the care and craftsmanship with which it was struck.
On the other hand, my 1965 nickel is just a mass-produced slug, barren of any artistic merit and useful only for making change.
If you put them side by side the difference is obvious.
@Overdate said:
I admire my 1964 nickel for its timeless beauty, the imagination and artistry that went into its design, and the care and craftsmanship with which it was struck.
On the other hand, my 1965 nickel is just a mass-produced slug, barren of any artistic merit and useful only for making change.
If you put them side by side the difference is obvious.
Now that that is settled once and for all, let's define for everyone, for all time, the words: Nice, Old, Rare, Pretty, Valuable, Desirable, and Collectable!
Now that that is settled once and for all, let's define for everyone, for all time, the words: Nice, Old, Rare, Pretty, Valuable, Desirable, and Collectable!
Back to the OP, it seems a common refrain here was, "moderns are younger than me" and of course we're all different ages.
Of course, collect what you like. What the old timer was grousing at might be related to the unfortunate folks who bring their moderns into the shop that they overpaid for, on tv or whatever, and he has to let them down and see their disappointment, shame, and regret at lost money.
BUT, you seem to know what you're doing with Your moderns, as always collect what you like and makes you proud if your collection's goals
"I read somewhere (CW or NM most likely), that post 1933 is considered modern by many. Don't remember the details, but the year stuck in my head."
I've always accepted this as my definition of the term. Anyone who says there's nothing good to be found after this date or that it is "a waste of time" must not be aware of the fact that most of the good U. S. doubled dies known are after this date.
I collect a modern series by anyone's definition-the Sac $1 simply because I love the design. I don't care if it is "a waste of time."
@SanctionII said:
In 30 years when most baby boomer collectors (those born between 1946 and 1966) are dead or in their 80s and older, I wonder how collectors will answer the question "What is the definition of a Modern Coin."
This is very interesting. Here's a list of our generations for comparison with coins.
Sigh....There is no universally accepted right answer.
As others have posted there are opinions. As an old "dinosaur" I was filling my folders with "MODERN" coins dated in the 1940's. Lincolns in the 1950's were still "red." Even back then, NO INTELLIGENT NUMISMATIST or collector considered a coin made in 1909 as being "modern."
This one does. Simply because I believe that Modern is relative to design.
Not size, not denomination, not metallic content, not year. But design.
"Modern Coin Designs"
Of course, many will disagree as their primary focus is on metal content which, to me, would mean that the 2014 Anniversary Kennedy's were "classic" while the 2013's were Modern?
Or dates which would mean that the 1964 Kennedy is Classic while the 1965 was Modern?
As for matallic content, are 1992-S Silver Kennedy, Washington and Roosevelts Modern or Classic?
Is the Silver Eagle Modern or Classic?
Defining Classic vs Modern as a specific Date does nothing but pander to general ignorance regarding numismatics. Basic coin collecting for dummies.
PCGS's decision to define that line at 1964 kinda blows the metal content argument out of the water anyway and as for calling a 1909 Lincoln a "Modern" coin, I'm sure that the folks who lived in 1909 considered it "a Modern Coin" because it was a radical departure from traditional (classic) coin design.
The fact of the matter is that "Numismatics" (i.e. coin collecting) is a complex hobby and can in no way be simplified down to an arbitrary decision that 1965 began the modern coin era. To do so would imply that we are not "Numismatists" but "bullion scavengers".
We're supposed to KNOW something about what it is we collect over and above "Gee, thats purty!" or "This is Real Silver!" Otherwise, every 1880 Morgan Dollar would be worth a million bucks and every worn out Wheat Cent will fund my kids college education. We all know that this simply is not true because, "We know a little something about something."
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
A very thoughtful post. I say to each their own. It is always good to have folks around that buck "conventional wisdom." They are the rebels that expand our view of the status quo and lead us to interesting discussions.
Depends on one's perspective, I guess. I purchased a coin yesterday from a seller in France. On their eBay store they have coins in the following categories:
Royals (Pre 1788) They have French coins back to the 1300's
Revolution (1789-1804)
Semi Modern (1805-1899)
Modern (1900-1958)
@coinhack said:
Depends on one's perspective, I guess. I purchased a coin yesterday from a seller in France. On their eBay store they have coins in the following categories:
Royals (Pre 1788) They have French coins back to the 1300's
Revolution (1789-1804)
Semi Modern (1805-1899)
Modern (1900-1958)
@coinhack said:
Depends on one's perspective, I guess. I purchased a coin yesterday from a seller in France. On their eBay store they have coins in the following categories:
Royals (Pre 1788) They have French coins back to the 1300's
Revolution (1789-1804)
Semi Modern (1805-1899)
Modern (1900-1958)
France has always been a backward country!
Only kidding. Good info.
Yes but their pastry is great! And their l'Entrecote? Fabulous!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Modern coinage, to me, is the stuff that sucks us into the real coin world. It gets hyped, flaunted, embellished and pedaled, without scrutiny, by the best and the worst of us.
And the hobbyist latches on and catches on soon. Whether it’s birth year coinage, graduation gifting, holidays, or commemorations of every sort which enables it to continue, it continues. And rightly so. Once the student enters the field, he begins to understand the scope of numismatics.
There is simply no single date that works for US coinage crossing all denominations. Further, some consideration should be afforded to the technology applied in the production of coinage.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
of or relating to present and recent time; not ancient or remote:
characteristic of present and recent time; contemporary; not antiquated or obsolete
Since neither term has a "hard" or "measurable" definition, then "modern" can only be defined in terms by the user or be defined by another in authority. For example, PCGS, ANA, NGC Red Bouk could all have a different definition, and all would be correct as there is no "master" of terms.
Other than fighting over deck chairs on the Titanic, this discussion cannot have a conclusion.
If the definition of DEAD is not absolute in this country, how can "modern coinage" be defined. What I mean by that is each state defines what constitutes a person being "dead". 36 states have signed off on a Federal definition, but 14 have not. So a person in one state could be tried for 1st degree murder, convicted, and executed, while, if you move the unfortunate victim across the state line, the victim is still "alive" in that state. (Uniform Determination of Death Act).
So this Topic is either Dead or Alive, depending on what state you are in, unless you have a cat named Schrödinger.
@mustangmanbob said:
1. of or relating to present and recent time; not ancient or remote:
2. characteristic of present and recent time; contemporary; not antiquated or obsolete
Since neither term has a "hard" or "measurable" definition, then "modern" can only be defined in terms by the user or be defined by another in authority. For example, PCGS, ANA, NGC Red Bouk could all have a different definition, and all would be correct as there is no "master" of terms.
Other than fighting over deck chairs on the Titanic, this discussion cannot have a conclusion.
If the definition of DEAD is not absolute in this country, how can "modern coinage" be defined. What I mean by that is each state defines what constitutes a person being "dead". 36 states have signed off on a Federal definition, but 14 have not. So a person in one state could be tried for 1st degree murder, convicted, and executed, while, if you move the unfortunate victim across the state line, the victim is still "alive" in that state. (Uniform Determination of Death Act).
So this Topic is either Dead or Alive, depending on what state you are in, unless you have a cat named Schrödinger.
It lives even though it's been talked to death.
It's both dead and alive but we'll have to wait for the last post to determine which.
This has turned out to be a really great topic ! I have come to believe there really isn't just one answer.Age is a factor for sure.I remember when Silver coinage circulated and when the Clad Coinage came out in '65 we turned up our noses at that and considered them Modern junk.I wish I had put away unc. rolls in 1965-1968.Nobody saved them . So the Clad that replaced the Silver to me seems Modern. The Kennedy Half Modern. Memorial Cent Modern .Any time a new design came out, it became Modern to me. Great response and information exchange.
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Hey man....what day are you going to be there? I always like meeting forum members. Even ones I disagree with.
Maybe. The Silver Dollar Expo used to be on my annual calendar, now it is hit or miss. Still have one kid in college.
Like I said are you smarter than a 2nd grader hmmm
I'm not.
Congratulations. I hope you appreciate what you have accomplished and possibly even what is expected from you in the future.
Modern era is 1934 to present. The Classic era ended in 1933. Goes by date not by series thus some series bridge the classic and modern eras.
If you agree with my opinion about this you have the correct opinion.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
I like your style.
Let me know...I will be there Friday.
I admire my 1964 nickel for its timeless beauty, the imagination and artistry that went into its design, and the care and craftsmanship with which it was struck.
On the other hand, my 1965 nickel is just a mass-produced slug, barren of any artistic merit and useful only for making change.
If you put them side by side the difference is obvious.
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For me "Modern Coinage" are coins produced in 1965 and later.
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Exactly
Great!
Now that that is settled once and for all, let's define for everyone, for all time, the words: Nice, Old, Rare, Pretty, Valuable, Desirable, and Collectable!
Oh, don't forget Uncirculated
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
You left out Unsearched and Mon$ter Toning.
My Adolph A. Weinman signature
What about: Some, Few, Many, Very Many, Slight, Trace, Almost, Light, Several, Scattered, Miniscule, Pleasing, Attractive, Outstanding, etc.
Oh, we could go on and on... and will!
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Hey, I just posted a new thread for this. It should be fun!
I started collecting buffalo nickels from pocket change in 1957. I thought of coins after 1938 as "modern".
Later I collected just about everything but not coins after 1964 because they were "modern".
Then principally collected "modern" which I define as base metal coins that replaced silver in one country after another starting in WW II.
I still collect "modern" but now I focus on ancient Egypt and think the first coins from back in 650 BC are hopelessly modern.
Perspective is everything.
Back to the OP, it seems a common refrain here was, "moderns are younger than me" and of course we're all different ages.
Of course, collect what you like. What the old timer was grousing at might be related to the unfortunate folks who bring their moderns into the shop that they overpaid for, on tv or whatever, and he has to let them down and see their disappointment, shame, and regret at lost money.
BUT, you seem to know what you're doing with Your moderns, as always collect what you like and makes you proud if your collection's goals
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
"I read somewhere (CW or NM most likely), that post 1933 is considered modern by many. Don't remember the details, but the year stuck in my head."
I've always accepted this as my definition of the term. Anyone who says there's nothing good to be found after this date or that it is "a waste of time" must not be aware of the fact that most of the good U. S. doubled dies known are after this date.
I collect a modern series by anyone's definition-the Sac $1 simply because I love the design. I don't care if it is "a waste of time."
This is very interesting. Here's a list of our generations for comparison with coins.
http://genhq.com/faq-info-about-generations/
This one does. Simply because I believe that Modern is relative to design.
Not size, not denomination, not metallic content, not year. But design.
"Modern Coin Designs"
Of course, many will disagree as their primary focus is on metal content which, to me, would mean that the 2014 Anniversary Kennedy's were "classic" while the 2013's were Modern?
Or dates which would mean that the 1964 Kennedy is Classic while the 1965 was Modern?
As for matallic content, are 1992-S Silver Kennedy, Washington and Roosevelts Modern or Classic?
Is the Silver Eagle Modern or Classic?
Defining Classic vs Modern as a specific Date does nothing but pander to general ignorance regarding numismatics. Basic coin collecting for dummies.
PCGS's decision to define that line at 1964 kinda blows the metal content argument out of the water anyway and as for calling a 1909 Lincoln a "Modern" coin, I'm sure that the folks who lived in 1909 considered it "a Modern Coin" because it was a radical departure from traditional (classic) coin design.
The fact of the matter is that "Numismatics" (i.e. coin collecting) is a complex hobby and can in no way be simplified down to an arbitrary decision that 1965 began the modern coin era. To do so would imply that we are not "Numismatists" but "bullion scavengers".
We're supposed to KNOW something about what it is we collect over and above "Gee, thats purty!" or "This is Real Silver!" Otherwise, every 1880 Morgan Dollar would be worth a million bucks and every worn out Wheat Cent will fund my kids college education. We all know that this simply is not true because, "We know a little something about something."
The name is LEE!
A very thoughtful post. I say to each their own. It is always good to have folks around that buck "conventional wisdom." They are the rebels that expand our view of the status quo and lead us to interesting discussions.
Depends on one's perspective, I guess. I purchased a coin yesterday from a seller in France. On their eBay store they have coins in the following categories:
Royals (Pre 1788) They have French coins back to the 1300's
Revolution (1789-1804)
Semi Modern (1805-1899)
Modern (1900-1958)
France has always been a backward country!
Only kidding. Good info.
Yes but their pastry is great! And their l'Entrecote? Fabulous!
The name is LEE!
Chocolate from Belgium is my vice.
Thats what the host says too.
wish they would agree on what I submit.
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Modern coinage, to me, is the stuff that sucks us into the real coin world. It gets hyped, flaunted, embellished and pedaled, without scrutiny, by the best and the worst of us.
And the hobbyist latches on and catches on soon. Whether it’s birth year coinage, graduation gifting, holidays, or commemorations of every sort which enables it to continue, it continues. And rightly so. Once the student enters the field, he begins to understand the scope of numismatics.
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There is simply no single date that works for US coinage crossing all denominations. Further, some consideration should be afforded to the technology applied in the production of coinage.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Since neither term has a "hard" or "measurable" definition, then "modern" can only be defined in terms by the user or be defined by another in authority. For example, PCGS, ANA, NGC Red Bouk could all have a different definition, and all would be correct as there is no "master" of terms.
Other than fighting over deck chairs on the Titanic, this discussion cannot have a conclusion.
If the definition of DEAD is not absolute in this country, how can "modern coinage" be defined. What I mean by that is each state defines what constitutes a person being "dead". 36 states have signed off on a Federal definition, but 14 have not. So a person in one state could be tried for 1st degree murder, convicted, and executed, while, if you move the unfortunate victim across the state line, the victim is still "alive" in that state. (Uniform Determination of Death Act).
So this Topic is either Dead or Alive, depending on what state you are in, unless you have a cat named Schrödinger.
Since 1964 for me.
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It lives even though it's been talked to death.
It's both dead and alive but we'll have to wait for the last post to determine which.
This has turned out to be a really great topic ! I have come to believe there really isn't just one answer.Age is a factor for sure.I remember when Silver coinage circulated and when the Clad Coinage came out in '65 we turned up our noses at that and considered them Modern junk.I wish I had put away unc. rolls in 1965-1968.Nobody saved them . So the Clad that replaced the Silver to me seems Modern. The Kennedy Half Modern. Memorial Cent Modern .Any time a new design came out, it became Modern to me. Great response and information exchange.