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It arrived today. I took some photos. I'll try some more later at other angles. Honestly, I'm not sure I would have called it a proof, but there is something unusual about it. The edge detail on the shield is amazing. The fields are far more lustrous than the photos look. The rim does NOT seem as square as I would expect a proof to be.
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The photos don't indicate the coin was made on a medal press. (Was it dipped in the past?)
IDK if it's a proof, but it's nice. I'da bought it. Good on ya I say.
Insert witicism here. [ xxx ]
that is a very fine looking coin.
The obverse looks like maybe
Not sure why anyone would label it as a proof. I'm just not seeing it.
Just a nice 17T1 as many are.
EAC 6024
I'd call it an early strike (ie non-proof), and then call it a day. Id also leave it in the pf holder
why not?
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
It is certainly better than the 63 grade.
die polish on reverse left field below wing
didn't ANACS cancel the cert in their database?
are you going to crack and submit somewhere else?
A very nice SLQ..... I do not see it as a proof... at least not in those pictures (and they are great pictures).... ICBW, and the graders had it 'in hand'... Cheers, RickO
I tend to agree, although I haven't really gotten a picture that looks quite right. What's hard to show is how SHARP the frame is on the bricks and the edge of the shield. It does have a satiny look to the obverse.
Well, depends. If I can find someone who wants it in the proof slab, I'll sell it as is. If everyone continues to hate on the slab, I may try to cross it over as an MS - FH. But it may be worth more in the proof slab whether or not anyone thinks it's a proof. It's kind of unique that way.
nice coin
She is definitely a looker! Great shield strike.
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Coin must have been colder when the seller had it since the nipple was perkier.
If you decide to sell it in the current ANACS PF slab, will you disclose that ANACS has deleted the cert #, and that they consider it a mechanical error, and NOT a proof??
First of all, I'm not hiding anything.
Second of all, it is still in the ANACS data base.
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"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
Why would you even label it a FH if it was a proof? You think it would be understood..
EAC 6024
yes, still there
anacs.com/Populations/CertVerification.aspx
Seller did pretty good job profiting off a label error.
The truth is far more complicated...
The OP had the coin in-hand. Why not allow him the time to research and investigate his purchase? Others can certainly provide information and support, but maybe some circumspection would be appropriate, too.
He said it was going to the Baltimore show via a dealer who would get to the bottom of the mystery....
what I don't understand is other than the label error, what proof characteristics it has that make it a "mystery". Then again, I have no horse in this race, other than being a big SLQ fan.
Compared to type 2 slq, its hammered. Compared to type 1 philly coins, its average to slightly above average.
The frame lines are sharper than anything I've seen. The obverse had elements that look proof like. The reverse seems much more like a business strike. Since you've never had the coin in hand, I'm not sure what you are or aren't seeing.
Proof die? Maybe. Early die state? Maybe. Let's see what people in Baltimore think.
It's still unique. A coin with a story. I've had fun with it. Hope you've all had fun hating it.
I don't "hate" it...........I would keep it in the slab for proof that it was graded that way. It is a beautiful fully struck coin! It just goes to show you how much trouble the Mints had in striking up this issue.
Pete
I no longer own this magnificent rarity!
I don't think I've ever had more fun with a coin I owned for 2 weeks.
You know what's missing in all this nonsense. I wish to know three things :
Thank you very much.
Lol. How nosy?
You bet I'm nosey and a big THX! I thought you paid the $1499 and took a big loss and did not wish to admit it. I'll predict that coin will be in an MS-65 FH holder the next time it pops up after it is "fixed."
overall, great coin, lots of fun, made good money.... But still not sure whay I had. Lol
I'm just curious on what basis multiple thousands were paid at Baltimore for it? That it maybe, could be a real genuine proof, or on the basis of it being in an Anacs holder that their representative said was a mechanical error?
Their representative has never seen the coin nor proffered no records proving it was a mechanical error. The dealers who bought it, all 4 of us, all 4 of us who have actually held it in hand, feel it is unusual although we're not sure exactly what is. Could be the proof of legend, could be early die state, could be business strike from proof dies, could just be a 65 FH in the wrong slab.
For what it's worth, NGC gave it a one in 1000 chance of crossing which is actually one more than I would have thought. And he also had it in hand, by the way. My partner didn't feel its worth the risk to try given that we made decent money in 2 weeks.
NGC of course will not cross non-PCGS coins as PCGS will, shame on them. I agree it is gem looking, maybe 66? I'm interested to know who would be the leading authorities on these on the boarse floor since the late Mr. Cline?
Yes, that's why it wasn't worth the risk. If we broke it out, no guarantee anyone would slab it as a proof again
So why all the mystery, feel free to disclose the your sale price in Baltimore?
It's not my mystery alone. The person who currently has it and is trying to sell it may not want his purchase price known. Not sure what he's going to do with it.
It just was an interesting numismatic adventure as The Infamous SLQ made the rounds.
The coin has been sold 3 times in 2 weeks. If it ever does make it to the big-time (major auction house), I'm going to feel a little nostalgic.
Thanks for sharing and I'm sure we will be hearing more on it.
The coin now has a story and for many thats worth a premium. I would not crack it out. Also, I think...I see... a nipple. Maybe that distracted the folks in the grading room!
Buy low,,,,,, sell high,,,,,, I think that is the way it IS supposed to work.
Looks interesting - would have loved to have seen the coin in Baltimore. Satiny & a sharp strike.
"interesting" is probably the right word. I'm still not sure what I had there. The pictures don't fully do it justice. It is satiny, more on the the obverse than reverse. The frame lines on the wall are so razor sharp, I've never seen anything like it. But other things seemed more mundane: the fields on the reverse show a die clash, the rims are not exceptionally sharp.
If I had to put a label on it, I think I'm leaning toward business strike with a proof obverse die. I just don't know. Eventually someone smarter than me with more patience than me will sort it out.
Whatever, at $1500 it was priced correctly.
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
Somehow I always mess that one up.
Cool read.
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I like it. The first photo shows a grainy/sandblast effect.