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How in the world is this a 1909 Lincoln MS-63RD?

jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

I just came across this auction on the bay. It's a 1909 Lincoln Cent in PCGS 63RD with a True View!! How did this possibly get labeled a Red with no trace of red? Was it gassed in the holder and then sent in for True Views with a re-holder?

Link to auction: eBay 1909 MS-63RD

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    jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coppercolor said:
    Looks MS63 BN to me so it's probably a mechanical error

    Something. It's certainly Brown.

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    SteveBellSteveBell Posts: 58 ✭✭✭

    I was looking at that a day or so ago.I had the same exact thoughts

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    KyleKyle Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gotta be a mechanical error, no way someone calls that red.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Mechanical error" would be my guess too.

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    huh?

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:

    @Kyle said:
    Gotta be a mechanical error, no way someone calls that red.

    Well there is a red blob due east of Abe's nose. Maybe that's it

    m

    No its snot..:)

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    robecrobec Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a mechanical error. I have a similar coin with the same mistake.

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    jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2017 8:42AM

    I can buy that it's a mechanical error. The seller obviously does not seem to know much about coins as they seem to mostly sell other stuff.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it wasn't overpriced at $100. I'd purchase it as the colors are kind of neat.

    peacockcoins

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 30,988 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jtlee321 said:
    I can buy that it's a mechanical error. The seller obviously does not seem to know much about coins as they seem to mostly sell other stuff.

    Speaking of, would you normally buy a coin or other item like a rifle scope from an eBay seller who has no history of selling either item?

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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks more like a Blue-62.

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    jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @jtlee321 said:
    I can buy that it's a mechanical error. The seller obviously does not seem to know much about coins as they seem to mostly sell other stuff.

    Speaking of, would you normally buy a coin or other item like a rifle scope from an eBay seller who has no history of selling either item?

    Sure, why not? As long as they offer a return policy and I know what I am buying. I've bought coins from people who don't normally sell them and I've been very happy with what I received.

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 30,988 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jtlee321 said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @jtlee321 said:
    I can buy that it's a mechanical error. The seller obviously does not seem to know much about coins as they seem to mostly sell other stuff.

    Speaking of, would you normally buy a coin or other item like a rifle scope from an eBay seller who has no history of selling either item?

    Sure, why not? As long as they offer a return policy and I know what I am buying. I've bought coins from people who don't normally sell them and I've been very happy with what I received.

    Actually it was more of a rhetorical question. I'd certainy consider them as a source too. Then again one could wonder where they got it from.

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    illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is an illustration of one of the faults of the PCGS coin numbering system...

    When you submit Lincoln cents of any grade, they ask you to use the coin number for the RD designated coin on the submission forms. When the coin is later graded BN or RB, they usually change the coin number to the appropriate coin number for the color designation, but in the rare occasions they do not, the RD coin number remains and will show as RD when doing a cert verification.

    It is an obvious mechanical error on a coin like this or on some of the low grade coins that show up like a VF20RD (just look in the pop reports and you'll see some low grade RD Lincolns out there). Similarly, we are asked to use the RB coin number when submitting Indian Cents... so you'll also see some low grade RB Indian Cents in the pop reports too, even though they are clearly BN coins.

    Fortunately, for coins grading AU58 and below which have the wrong PCGS coin number, the improper color designation will now show on the label itself. It will only show when doing a cert verification.

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    jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @illini420 said:
    This is an illustration of one of the faults of the PCGS coin numbering system...

    When you submit Lincoln cents of any grade, they ask you to use the coin number for the RD designated coin on the submission forms. When the coin is later graded BN or RB, they usually change the coin number to the appropriate coin number for the color designation, but in the rare occasions they do not, the RD coin number remains and will show as RD when doing a cert verification.

    It is an obvious mechanical error on a coin like this or on some of the low grade coins that show up like a VF20RD (just look in the pop reports and you'll see some low grade RD Lincolns out there). Similarly, we are asked to use the RB coin number when submitting Indian Cents... so you'll also see some low grade RB Indian Cents in the pop reports too, even though they are clearly BN coins.

    Fortunately, for coins grading AU58 and below which have the wrong PCGS coin number, the improper color designation will now show on the label itself. It will only show when doing a cert verification.

    Interesting, thanks for the info.

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    GoldenEggGoldenEgg Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whenever mechanical data-entry and large spreadsheets are involved, it's easy to make mistakes. Likely, more mistakes happen than we would hope. I don't know their system at the key-stroke level, but date-entry errors could probably explain many surprising upgrades or downgrades as well.

    This is why companies implement poka-yoke. Even on a small scale it can make a big difference.

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    PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could a coin graded RD turn south that quick in a slab...that was my first thought.

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    robecrobec Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PocketArt said:
    Could a coin graded RD turn south that quick in a slab...that was my first thought.

    That is a brand new cert number. I doubt a RD Lincoln could turn BN in a matter of days or weeks.

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    PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PocketArt said:
    Could a coin graded RD turn south that quick in a slab...that was my first thought.

    Thats a true view so it was imaged before it was even in the slab

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, just a mechanical error and a good explanation by @illini420....Cheers, RickO

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