How in the world is this a 1909 Lincoln MS-63RD?
jtlee321
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I just came across this auction on the bay. It's a 1909 Lincoln Cent in PCGS 63RD with a True View!! How did this possibly get labeled a Red with no trace of red? Was it gassed in the holder and then sent in for True Views with a re-holder?
Link to auction: eBay 1909 MS-63RD
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Looks MS63 BN to me so it's probably a mechanical error
Something. It's certainly Brown.
I was looking at that a day or so ago.I had the same exact thoughts
Gotta be a mechanical error, no way someone calls that red.
Well there is a red blob due east of Abe's nose. Maybe that's it
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
"Mechanical error" would be my guess too.
huh?
BHNC #203
No its snot..:)
It's a mechanical error. I have a similar coin with the same mistake.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
I can buy that it's a mechanical error. The seller obviously does not seem to know much about coins as they seem to mostly sell other stuff.
If it wasn't overpriced at $100. I'd purchase it as the colors are kind of neat.
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Speaking of, would you normally buy a coin or other item like a rifle scope from an eBay seller who has no history of selling either item?
Looks more like a Blue-62.
Sure, why not? As long as they offer a return policy and I know what I am buying. I've bought coins from people who don't normally sell them and I've been very happy with what I received.
Actually it was more of a rhetorical question. I'd certainy consider them as a source too. Then again one could wonder where they got it from.
This is an illustration of one of the faults of the PCGS coin numbering system...
When you submit Lincoln cents of any grade, they ask you to use the coin number for the RD designated coin on the submission forms. When the coin is later graded BN or RB, they usually change the coin number to the appropriate coin number for the color designation, but in the rare occasions they do not, the RD coin number remains and will show as RD when doing a cert verification.
It is an obvious mechanical error on a coin like this or on some of the low grade coins that show up like a VF20RD (just look in the pop reports and you'll see some low grade RD Lincolns out there). Similarly, we are asked to use the RB coin number when submitting Indian Cents... so you'll also see some low grade RB Indian Cents in the pop reports too, even though they are clearly BN coins.
Fortunately, for coins grading AU58 and below which have the wrong PCGS coin number, the improper color designation will now show on the label itself. It will only show when doing a cert verification.
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Interesting, thanks for the info.
Whenever mechanical data-entry and large spreadsheets are involved, it's easy to make mistakes. Likely, more mistakes happen than we would hope. I don't know their system at the key-stroke level, but date-entry errors could probably explain many surprising upgrades or downgrades as well.
This is why companies implement poka-yoke. Even on a small scale it can make a big difference.
Could a coin graded RD turn south that quick in a slab...that was my first thought.
That is a brand new cert number. I doubt a RD Lincoln could turn BN in a matter of days or weeks.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Thats a true view so it was imaged before it was even in the slab
Yes, just a mechanical error and a good explanation by @illini420....Cheers, RickO