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Are there deals to be found in ANACS holders?

jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭✭✭

I think I will only be sending D. Carr pieces to ANACS anymore. My last gold submission to them was TERRIBLE. Out of about 15 coins, they only straight graded like 3 I think, and I hardly ever get "cleaned" from pcgs and ngc, as I've gotten decent at weeding them out. Check out this recent example of their grading vs pcgs:
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/is-anacs-crazy-or-am-i-crazy.302604/

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,888 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some of my most "colorful" coins were in old small white ANACS holders.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Much like the old holder coins, ANACS details coins that have lots of "bourse wear" on the holders tend to still be in those holders for a reason. There are details coins in everyone's holders that will get problem free grades upon another submission to the service of your choice.

  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2017 10:49AM

    @oih82w8 said:
    Some of my most "colorful" coins were in old small white ANACS holders.

    Some will disagree with me.....But from personal experience, I'm convinced the old, small holders CAUSED some toning! I have no photos to prove it, but many of my coins tended to get golden/brown toning at the tops, closest to the label, when they were white when certified.

    Anyway, to the main question: I at one time thought ANACS tended to mark coins as "cleaned" because they were the only TPG that had that option, (at the time). So a marginal coin might get "quietly netted" at NGC or PCGS, but get labeled "Cleaned" at ANACS.

    Of course, that isn't really the case anymore. All of the TPG's have some form of "Genuine/Cleaned" designations available to them now.

    All that said....I have no recent experience with the "new" ANACS. Their holders turn me off...(which is a terrible reason to discount their service, but I can't help myself). :)

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TommyType said:

    @oih82w8 said:
    Some of my most "colorful" coins were in old small white ANACS holders.

    Some will disagree with me.....But from personal experience, I'm convinced the old, small holders CAUSED some toning! I have no photos to prove it, but many of my coins tended to get golden/brown toning at the tops, closest to the label, when they were white when certified.

    This is absolutely the case. I have coins like this, as well. I refer to the puce-colored toning at the top of otherwise mostly-white coins as ANACS toning.

  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are still some nice coins in old small holders. Normally if you find a dealer with one, it's a dog, but if they bought a group from an older estate, there can be some nice ones in there.

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  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12, 2017 11:23AM

    @TommyType said:

    @oih82w8 said:
    Some of my most "colorful" coins were in old small white ANACS holders.

    Some will disagree with me.....But from personal experience, I'm convinced the old, small holders CAUSED some toning! I have no photos to prove it, but many of my coins tended to get golden/brown toning at the tops, closest to the label, when they were white when certified.

    I don't think anyone will disagree with you there. Same with the old fatty NGC holders they all tone very similarly over time and a lot of time it turns out attractive IMO (to me but I'm a fan of blue rim toning).

  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PhilLynott said:

    @TommyType said:

    @oih82w8 said:
    Some of my most "colorful" coins were in old small white ANACS holders.

    Some will disagree with me.....But from personal experience, I'm convinced the old, small holders CAUSED some toning! I have no photos to prove it, but many of my coins tended to get golden/brown toning at the tops, closest to the label, when they were white when certified.

    I don't think anyone will disagree with you there. Same with the old fatty NGC holders they all tone very similarly over time and a lot of time it turns out attractive IMO (to me but I'm a fan of blue rim toning).

    Ok. I at one time was told I was full of....something...when I mentioned that. I was leaving room for disagreement. ;)

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Q: Are there deals to be found in ANACS holders?
    A: I am sure there are. My personal thoughts are there are LESS possible good deals in the newer/more recent holders.

    I believe that there are still good deals in some of the older holders. Not everyone that collects coins submits/resubmits/is online/etc.
    I have some that I like that haven't seen a crossover attempt. I am sure there are others like that as well (and, they weren't "not" sent because of issues...I just haven't seen a need nor a desire).

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,405 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It kind of works the other way, too. I had a 1926-S Lincoln that I submitted to PCGS back in the 1990's. I thought it had a superb strike, and had a chance for an AU-58.

    The coin was a very dark red in color, and I read that some 26-S Cents exhibited that color.

    The coin came back in a body bag labelled "Questionable Color". I then submitted it to ANACS and got an AU-50.

    I was just pleased to get a straight grade out of it.

    Pete

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No. Leave all of the old ANACS coins for me. :D;)

  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IMO there are good deals to be found only in the old, small, white holders. I personally wouldn't take my chances with the newer slabs.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm a big fan of those white lil holders photography wise they are better than rattles.

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure why there would be any more or less opportunity than with any other TPG. All grading is done by humans, humans make mistakes, and therefore opportunity is there regardless of the holder.

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  • CoinCrazyPACoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭

    I done pretty well with the old little white holdered ones. None recently though, I think they are drying up.

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think there are potential good buys in all holders...even the "shady ones."

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The yellow "sunshine" ANACS holders contain some ridiculously undergraded coins; especially coppers.
    .....however, they also have their share of "oops" coins too.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @afford said:
    I L O V E THE OLD ANACS HOLDERS!!!

    I submitted literally thousands of coins to ANACS back in those days.
    I sent them so much stuff they used to send me Christmas presents.
    Their turnaround and customer service (we're talking early 1990s) was superb!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a few of the small, white holders.... one of my gold coins is in one...doesn't fit any slots in my containers... However, since I buy the coin, all the coins are great... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TommyType said:

    @oih82w8 said:
    Some of my most "colorful" coins were in old small white ANACS holders.

    Some will disagree with me.....But from personal experience, I'm convinced the old, small holders CAUSED some toning! I have no photos to prove it, but many of my coins tended to get golden/brown toning at the tops, closest to the label, when they were white when certified.

    Anyway, to the main question: I at one time thought ANACS tended to mark coins as "cleaned" because they were the only TPG that had that option, (at the time). So a marginal coin might get "quietly netted" at NGC or PCGS, but get labeled "Cleaned" at ANACS.

    Of course, that isn't really the case anymore. All of the TPG's have some form of "Genuine/Cleaned" designations available to them now.

    All that said....I have no recent experience with the "new" ANACS. Their holders turn me off...(which is a terrible reason to discount their service, but I can't help myself). :)

    That is one of my conspiracy theories on coins and why there are so many more toned coins these days. SOME holders cause toning. You can see it in old ANACS holders along with the NGC soapbox holders too. Regardless of how inert the materials are that are used, air is trapped inside them (I know they are not 100% air-tight) and if slabs sit in the sun long enough I'm sure that can cause some minor changes due to heat.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AMRC said: "Not sure why there would be any more or less opportunity than with any other TPG. All grading is done by humans, humans make mistakes, and therefore opportunity is there regardless of the holder."

    Perhaps you are making an assumption or just forgetting an important aspect of grading...as one opinion may be more conservative than another rather than a mistake.

  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    There certainly is in the small, old white ANACS holders, especially in collector grades (e.g., VF to AU) for popular series or types (e.g., Bust Half Dollars, Seated Dollars and Half Dollars, and Barbers).
    And, if you can find any, check every Buffalo Nickel graded F12 or F15. More than likely, it is undergraded by today's standards.

  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    Should have added to the post above: But it also depends on the price.

  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 13, 2017 2:00PM

    "Are there deals to be found in ANACS holders?"

    But of course, I just sold 2 to two happy customers.

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 13, 2017 2:04PM

    Old ANACS with gold foil hologram on reverse. Can't beat 'em as they tend to be less cherry picked than the rattlers and old fatties.

    Best ANACS deal I ever saw.....early $5 capped bust with mid-1980's ANACs paper cert as XF and netted down for a planchet defect. Went PCGS MS62 around 12 years ago. Very nice coin too and every bit a 62 coin.

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,075 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @roadrunner said:
    Old ANACS with gold foil hologram on reverse. Can't beat 'em as they tend to be less cherry picked than the rattlers and old fatties.

    Best ANACS deal I ever saw.....early $5 capped bust with mid-1980's ANACs paper cert as XF and netted down for a planchet defect. Went PCGS MS62 around 12 years ago. Very nice coin too and every bit a 62 coin.

    I've got 2 or 3 gold coins in those!

  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭

    Saw an absolutely stunning 1878-CC $1 in a white ANACS MS66PL holder today that was one of the most attractive morgans I have ever seen.

  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭

    Sure. I recently bought an 1859 quarter eagle in AU 50 , an old reverse unattributed in a really old Anacs holder and cracked it out. Came back au55 in pcgs. Sweet

  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    @AMRC said: "Not sure why there would be any more or less opportunity than with any other TPG. All grading is done by humans, humans make mistakes, and therefore opportunity is there regardless of the holder."

    Perhaps you are making an assumption or just forgetting an important aspect of grading...as one opinion may be more conservative than another rather than a mistake.

    Perhaps.

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