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1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

Sorry if this was posted elsewhere, I could not find it.

How does this occur :smile:

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As Ricko says. I think these date back about 30 years or so. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How does it occur?

    Take Two Reverse Quarter Dies, & put them in the
    Hammer and Stationary Die positions (Top and Bottom die),
    and Strike.

    It's the -Why- that will now be discussed, in all probability.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
    for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
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    OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    How does it occur?

    Take Two Reverse Quarter Dies, & put them in the
    Hammer and Stationary Die positions (Top and Bottom die),
    and Strike.

    It's the -Why- that will now be discussed, in all probability.

    Then they are not errors if intentionally set up and struck.

    Cheers

    Bob

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some mint employee was too cheap to pay retail for a normal novelty two-tailed coin so he made his own....

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Imo, they were struck AS errors,
    but they were not struck IN error.

    There is a difference - again, my opinion.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
    for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    How does it occur?

    Take Two Reverse Quarter Dies, & put them in the
    Hammer and Stationary Die positions (Top and Bottom die),
    and Strike.

    It's the -Why- that will now be discussed, in all probability.

    My impression was that the dies were only compatible with one position in the press.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like the Die Setter was supplementing their income......................

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Outhaul said:

    @FredWeinberg said:
    How does it occur?

    Take Two Reverse Quarter Dies, & put them in the
    Hammer and Stationary Die positions (Top and Bottom die),
    and Strike.

    It's the -Why- that will now be discussed, in all probability.

    Then they are not errors if intentionally set up and struck.

    Cheers

    Bob

    They're "on purposes" rather than accidents.

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Misfitting of dies is a deliberate act. [Counterfeiters have also learned to do this.]

    The only legitimate, and documented, two-tailed or two-headed pieces where made in the 19th century using 1859 cent dies.

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    Rich49Rich49 Posts: 189 ✭✭✭

    Subject to seizure ?

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
    for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
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    Rich49Rich49 Posts: 189 ✭✭✭

    Good to know Fred.Was it found in circulation or a bank roll ?

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An fairly informed assumption,
    based on many decades of
    interacting with numerous
    officials of both the Mint,
    the Treasury, and the Mint Police.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
    for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    An fairly informed assumption,
    based on many decades of
    interacting with numerous
    officials of both the Mint,
    the Treasury, and the Mint Police.

    That's good enough for me, although without FW's opinion I would have guessed the legality was a bit murky.

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