Also, at the time of "the event" 525 years ago, Mexico city (Aztec: Tenochtitlan) was the most populous city on earth. It was completely destroyed in 1521 by the Spaniards.
@amwldcoin said:
I don't really want to jump in the fray...but if anyone in this country deserves reparations it's the American Indians. The incredible cruelty against the American Indians makes the slave reparation demands look like a joke!
Most tribes have been paid for their suffering. I remember a high school kid that was a local Indian (Indian Colony, south of Carson) that received $30,000 and 40 acres of land. WE though that he was rich! This was the early 1960's. His whole tribe settled with the Feds. I've heard of many such "deals" that tribes have made with our Gov't. Maybe not all but many have "settled".
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@amwldcoin said:
I don't really want to jump in the fray...but if anyone in this country deserves reparations it's the American Indians. The incredible cruelty against the American Indians makes the slave reparation demands look like a joke!
Most tribes have been paid for their suffering. I remember a high school kid that was a local Indian (Indian Colony, south of Carson) that received $30,000 and 40 acres of land. WE though that he was rich! This was the early 1960's. His whole tribe settled with the Feds. I've heard of many such "deals" that tribes have made with our Gov't. Maybe not all but many have "settled".
bob
So far from the truth that I'm amazed anyone could believe this. In no way was herding Native Americans onto reservations a "gift of repayment" for the way they were treated.
I have always wondered why we celebrated Columbus Day. Even moreso when it is clear that he didn't really "discover" America. Plenty of evidence that other Europeans were here centuries prior. So for me, I don't consider the day any more special than any other.
I am not in favor of an indigenous peoples day either. Seems like a scam to keep the federal employee day off.
I am in favor of abolishing both - no more Columbus day and no more IP day. Put the feds and the other government workers back to work.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
It is backed by genetic studies. It is not a PC crusade, but science.
If stone were here we could ask for confirmation that if it started from Africa then there were no predecessors to those who crossed. I believe the native to the 2 continents and Asia all fall under mongoloids. There are also australoids (sp?), caucasoid, and negroid. The base of the tree is the negroid.
It is backed by genetic studies. It is not a PC crusade, but science.
If stone were here we could ask for confirmation that if it started from Africa then there were no predecessors to those who crossed. I believe the native to the 2 continents and Asia all fall under mongoloids. There are also australoids (sp?), caucasoid, and negroid. The base of the tree is the negroid.
That's my thinking as well. I was trying to indicate that scientific studies have been politicized to the point that many people question science. Seems like not everyone was amused.
There's no way they can be adequately compensated for what was done to them-Smallpox, alcoholism, broken promises and much more. I don't feel that's "political correctness" at all. What it IS was genocide.
But to get back to the coins-the item above is the absolute best representation of Native Americans IMO. I know several people beat me to the punch but I think it's worth another look. This is my 1913 Var 1 matte proof-PCGS PR65.
This.....There's no way they can be adequately compensated for what was done to them-Smallpox, alcoholism, broken promises and much more. I don't feel that's "political correctness" at all. What it IS was genocide
@amwldcoin said:
I don't really want to jump in the fray...but if anyone in this country deserves reparations it's the American Indians. The incredible cruelty against the American Indians makes the slave reparation demands look like a joke!
I am not in favor of reparations for anyone who has been dead for more than say a couple of generations, because you can't dig them up and make them alive again but what was done to many of the Indians was decidedly wrong.
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Finally, some sanity!
Also, at the time of "the event" 525 years ago, Mexico city (Aztec: Tenochtitlan) was the most populous city on earth. It was completely destroyed in 1521 by the Spaniards.
And It seems like He's been eating crow ever since......................
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Most tribes have been paid for their suffering. I remember a high school kid that was a local Indian (Indian Colony, south of Carson) that received $30,000 and 40 acres of land. WE though that he was rich! This was the early 1960's. His whole tribe settled with the Feds. I've heard of many such "deals" that tribes have made with our Gov't. Maybe not all but many have "settled".
bob
So far from the truth that I'm amazed anyone could believe this. In no way was herding Native Americans onto reservations a "gift of repayment" for the way they were treated.
I didn't say anything about reservations. That was obviously not payment for anything. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/27/495627997/u-s-government-to-pay-492-million-to-17-american-indian-tribes
bob
I have always wondered why we celebrated Columbus Day. Even moreso when it is clear that he didn't really "discover" America. Plenty of evidence that other Europeans were here centuries prior. So for me, I don't consider the day any more special than any other.
I am not in favor of an indigenous peoples day either. Seems like a scam to keep the federal employee day off.
I am in favor of abolishing both - no more Columbus day and no more IP day. Put the feds and the other government workers back to work.
“In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson
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I dunno - I was always told that you should be thankful that you don't get all the government that you pay for.
It is backed by genetic studies. It is not a PC crusade, but science.
If stone were here we could ask for confirmation that if it started from Africa then there were no predecessors to those who crossed. I believe the native to the 2 continents and Asia all fall under mongoloids. There are also australoids (sp?), caucasoid, and negroid. The base of the tree is the negroid.
Good point. I was thinking of staff reductions - not more "help" from the goobermint.
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Its Columbus day. nothing else.
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That's my thinking as well. I was trying to indicate that scientific studies have been politicized to the point that many people question science. Seems like not everyone was amused.
There's no way they can be adequately compensated for what was done to them-Smallpox, alcoholism, broken promises and much more. I don't feel that's "political correctness" at all. What it IS was genocide.
But to get back to the coins-the item above is the absolute best representation of Native Americans IMO. I know several people beat me to the punch but I think it's worth another look. This is my 1913 Var 1 matte proof-PCGS PR65.
Compensated ? If I'm not mistaken, all those people have since died.......
This.....There's no way they can be adequately compensated for what was done to them-Smallpox, alcoholism, broken promises and much more. I don't feel that's "political correctness" at all. What it IS was genocide
I am not in favor of reparations for anyone who has been dead for more than say a couple of generations, because you can't dig them up and make them alive again but what was done to many of the Indians was decidedly wrong.