SCAM : What do you make of this ?

Mickey Mays

A PSA 8 1966 Koufax for $29, BV $315 in a PWCC holder for sale by someone with no feedback !

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-Sandy-Koufax-100-PSA-8-NM-MT-PWCC-eBay-/272869151370?hash=item3f8844d28a:g:hrMAAOSwhHNZ0DeK

erikthredd

I'd say its the same person from last night selling a Lebron 03 Topps Chrome PSA 9 for $18. Different user names but both had zero feedback,were in GuangZhou, China and both were using PWCC setups. If you searched PWCC's recent Koufax sales,i'd bet you would find that PSA serial number sold recently.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/987887/legit-2003-topps-chrome-lebron-psa-9#latest

I sent a message to PWCC last night letting them know about the Lebron guy .

steel75

That cert # sold on 9/14 for $417, so it's 100% a scam, and a dumb one at that.

erikthredd

Looks like the first five are all scams as well
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=10&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=pwcc&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1

The Maravich sold for $717 on 9-20
The Walker sold for $1226 on 9-20
The Palmer sold for $910.00 on 9-17
The Blyleven sold for $402 on 9-17

addicted2ebay

They lifted the scans happens a lot really.

Someone did it with a 52 Mantke for $600 lol

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-New-York-Yankees-311B-Baseball-Card-/222660852320?hash=item33d79efa60:g:GN0AAOSwtplZzn~U

jay0791

Now you know why ebay holds PP money for a period of time for new sellers

Mickey Mays

I reported it, within 4 hours listing removed from eBay

erikthredd

I reported the 4 i listed above but they're still up.

seebelow

glad this board exists so that we can share these never ending scams...if they just put all that brain power and effort to good use, they'd probably make more money than these things....perhaps not

HighGradeLegends

looks like everything was removed before I could look. I echo seebelow's comments about the forum. ty

erikthredd

@HighGradeLegends said:
looks like everything was removed before I could look. I echo seebelow's comments about the forum. ty

You can still see some of this scammer's auctions on this link. They're the first few China listings.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=10&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=pwcc&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1

Looks like he added a Satchel Paige card as well.

ZTarg

The title of this thread could use a makeover.

erikthredd

This guy just keeps going. Now its a Jordan 88 Fleer PSA 10 for $20.74 and he made it much harder to track by not using PWCC's initials in the title.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1988-89-Fleer-Basketball-17-PSA-10-Chicago-Bulls-eBa-/112586086182?epid=159314827&hash=item1a36a75726:g:BT4AAOSwKNJZ0gCD

81 Topps Guy

Looks like someone actually bought the Jordan. Seller doesn’t offer international shipping though

erikthredd

I reported it to ebay as soon as i saw it. Not much else we can do. This scam artist is burning thru ebay accounts quickly and I'm pretty sure he's had a new account for each card he's tried selling.

81 Topps Guy

There’s a 1962 Topps Unitas PSA listed too, I reported that one. Can’t imagine they’ll ever see a cent from eBay

erikthredd

I just clicked on Michael Jordan PSA and found another one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Hoops-Hooperstars-Die-Cut-Michael-Jordan-1-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-PW-/263241786629?hash=item3d4a6ee505:g:6jsAAOSwAOtZ0jtt

erikthredd

Looks like there is six more
https://www.ebay.com/dsc/i.html?_sop=10&LH_BIN=1&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=1&_oac=1&_nkw=pwcc&_trksid=m570.l1313

does anyone know if ebay bans someone for reporting a ton of items in a short amount of time? I've reported about 12-14 listings from this guy in the past 2 nights.

Dand522612

Now a Brady rookie is up and just reported....

secretstash

These are all over the place. I found a clemente and willie mays without even trying while looking up new listings of vintage.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Topps-Roberto-Clemente-326-SGC-88-Nm-Mt-8-Sharp-HIGH-END-/182803440838?hash=item2a8fef24c6:g:DnEAAOSwvvRZ0q0F

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-194-Willie-Mays-New-York-Giants-HOF-PSA-8-OC-NM-MT-eBa-/162694817362?hash=item25e15de652:g:CXwAAOSwEWdZ0oS-

Dand522612

Come on Ebay wake up!!!!!

erikthredd

six more
https://www.ebay.com/dsc/i.html?_sop=10&LH_BIN=1&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=1&_oac=1&_nkw=pwcc&_trksid=m570.l1313

LarkinCollector

@erikthredd said:
does anyone know if ebay bans someone for reporting a ton of items in a short amount of time? I've reported about 12-14 listings from this guy in the past 2 nights.

I've never heard of this happening. They're basically getting free work from you for something their fraud/security department should be identifying.

Dand522612

There are so many red flags and such a consistent pattern that it is troubling that this cannot be taken care of.

JBrules

This one should be removed within 30 minutes based on an email I received by from a connection I have at Ebay.

@erikthredd said:
six more
https://www.ebay.com/dsc/i.html?_sop=10&LH_BIN=1&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=1&_oac=1&_nkw=pwcc&_trksid=m570.l1313

erikthredd

@JBrules said:
This one should be removed within 30 minutes based on an email I received by from a connection I have at Ebay.

@erikthredd said:
six more
https://www.ebay.com/dsc/i.html?_sop=10&LH_BIN=1&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=1&_oac=1&_nkw=pwcc&_trksid=m570.l1313

You should ask that person at ebay to have the fraud/security department keep refreshing that link to see his listings.. This guy in China keeps using PWCC setups making it somewhat easy to find his fake auctions.

Dand522612

Brady Bowman sold for $17.60

sushihotwings

Looks like "vintage card prices" is going to be working overtime fixing all these price anomalies from fake sales. I reported several last night as well. One of the cards the fraudster listed was one I had bought from PWCC and had already been delivered to me. Frustrating.

JBrules

Thanks Eric. I did contact them and let them know.

@erikthredd said:

@JBrules said:
This one should be removed within 30 minutes based on an email I received by from a connection I have at Ebay.

@erikthredd said:
six more
https://www.ebay.com/dsc/i.html?_sop=10&LH_BIN=1&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=1&_oac=1&_nkw=pwcc&_trksid=m570.l1313

You should ask that person at ebay to have the fraud/security department keep refreshing that link to see his listings.. This guy in China keeps using PWCC setups making it somewhat easy to find his fake auctions.

Mickey Mays

Two more today, don't know if eBay can stop the fraudulent listings.

1neatstuff

now there is 1961 fleer basketball pack up for 25.14 psa 7 the listing was copied from pwcc i guess they are just trying to get peoples info when they buy it now and scam them somehow how blind is ebay ? oh and its also free shipping lol

erikthredd

Looks like he stopped using PWCC cards.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-1987-MICHAEL-JORDAN-FLEER-STICKER-RC-ROOKIE-BGS-8-5-Amazing-/112589985508?hash=item1a36e2d6e4:g:T5MAAOSwt5tZ1d8y

actual sale on 9-23 for $306.50
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-1987-MICHAEL-JORDAN-FLEER-STICKER-RC-ROOKIE-BGS-8-5-Amazing-Condition-/253160491303?hash=item3af18a8927:g:bFEAAOSwnyBZv6QQ&nma=true&si=mGE%2FgvLiIYeex%2F3KPVjdub1dsuw%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Mickey Mays

Someone just bought a 1966 Mantle PSA 8 for $17.87 PWCC from China

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-50-PSA-8-NM-MT-PWCC-/272880008979?epid=159822728&hash=item3f88ea7f13:g:zQ0AAOSwgYVZ2udH

And a 1966 Mantle PSA 7 for $19.82 also PWCC from China

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-50-PSA-7-NRMT-PWCC-eBay-/112594555141?epid=159822728&hash=item1a37289105:g:nbUAAOSwAydZ2pUy

secretstash

wow this is rampant. It is not just PWCC and probstein stuff either anymore...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-TOPPS-BASEBALL-514-BOB-GIBSON-RC-ROOKIE-NM-MT-should-grade-7-9-/162704011487?_trksid=p2349526.m10.l4275
This was copied directly from another auction recently completed.

erikthredd

You would think someone at ebay would contact paypal to see if this guy is using the same paypal account on all of these sham listings. We know he's been opening a new ebay acount with every card he tries selling and i doubt he's doing the same with the paypal accounts the money goes to.

shagrotn77

Here's another one (PSA 8.5 '67 Rose):

ebay.com/itm/1967-Topps-Pete-Rose-430-PSA-8-5-NM-MT-PWCC-eBay-/292287731529?hash=item440db4d749:g:YSMAAOSwA2hZ3FDi

Darin

When will it stop?

1975 rack with George Brett on top for $23 and change.

Dand522612

When will the uninformed stop buying this? Why can't EBay wake up??? PT Barnum???

grote15

This is like a virus that continues to spread throughout eBay. What is being done about it? What can be done about it?

81 Topps Guy

Ericthered made an excellent suggestion of eBay checking and finding that all of these bogus listings have the same PayPal account attached to them. Of course no one will accuse eBay of being that smart

grote15

The people buying these items are not newbies, either~the person who bought the phony 75 rack with Brett on top had a FB total of well over 1,000.

Darin

Tim- was that Brett rack phony? It was GAI 7. And I think PWCC just sold that same rack
a few weeks to a month ago. It brought around $700 if I remember.

I thought it was just the picture of the rack that was lifted from PWCC , but I believed the rack was genuine.

Darin

Tim - nevermind. I think you're saying the auction was phony, not the rack itself. My mistake.

And I did check, PWCC sold that rack for $735.

miwlvrn

Along the lines of ones to avoid, I worry that someone may try to pass these off as authentic soon, especially the Alcindor and Palmer which would go for quite a high price in their condition if they were legit, because not enough collectors out there are familiar enough with foreign issues to be able to spot the fakes:

ebay.com/itm/1968-Mira-Tuttosport-Regalo-Lew-Alcindor-Rookie-RC-Clay-Pele-Repros-/142502523125?hash=item212dcff0f5:g:UyQAAOSwUnFZtGEOhttp://

grote15

@Darin said:
Tim - nevermind. I think you're saying the auction was phony, not the rack itself. My mistake.

And I did check, PWCC sold that rack for $735.

Yes, the rack was good but the pirated auction was not.

Jimmy_Commonpants

@grote15 said:
The people buying these items are not newbies, either~the person who bought the phony 75 rack with Brett on top had a FB total of well over 1,000.

If they are real sales, wouldn't you expect the buyers to complain to ebay as well since they wont be receiving any card? I assume the seller is just trying to steal credit card data and hack other info from you, so shouldn't this "work itself out"? How many sales does it look like this seller has made already? If you are right about some of the buyers being experienced, this should get caught quickly.

erikthredd

@Jimmy_Commonpants said:

@grote15 said:
The people buying these items are not newbies, either~the person who bought the phony 75 rack with Brett on top had a FB total of well over 1,000.

If they are real sales, wouldn't you expect the buyers to complain to ebay as well since they wont be receiving any card? I assume the seller is just trying to steal credit card data and hack other info from you, so shouldn't this "work itself out"? How many sales does it look like this seller has made already? If you are right about some of the buyers being experienced, this should get caught quickly.

This guy is in China and i'm pretty sure these buyer's can't make an ebay complaint until after the listed amount of shipping days it would normally take for a card to ship from China to wherever the buyer is,(EX: Estimated between Fri. Oct. 20 and Thu. Nov. 9) The buy would have to wait until Nov 9th before they could make a claim with ebay. I had 2 purchases from sellers with 100% positive feedback that both got hit with numerous negatives after my purchase dates and after seeing the neg's i pretty much knew i wasn't going to see my items. Neither of them ever got delivered and i couldn't make a claim until the end of the estimated shipping time from the listing. Most of these buyers are gonna be waiting awhile seeing that the cards are supposedly coming from China and would take a week or two under normal conditions.

81 Topps Guy

I don’t think a newbie seller can claim the funds in his PayPal account until the item has been delivered. If these cards are being paid for with PayPal no credit card info is at risk

Jimmy_Commonpants

@erikthredd said:

@Jimmy_Commonpants said:

@grote15 said:
The people buying these items are not newbies, either~the person who bought the phony 75 rack with Brett on top had a FB total of well over 1,000.

If they are real sales, wouldn't you expect the buyers to complain to ebay as well since they wont be receiving any card? I assume the seller is just trying to steal credit card data and hack other info from you, so shouldn't this "work itself out"? How many sales does it look like this seller has made already? If you are right about some of the buyers being experienced, this should get caught quickly.

This guy is in China and i'm pretty sure these buyer's can't make an ebay complaint until after the listed amount of shipping days it would normally take for a card to ship from China to wherever the buyer is,(EX: Estimated between Fri. Oct. 20 and Thu. Nov. 9) The buy would have to wait until Nov 9th before they could make a claim with ebay. I had 2 purchases from sellers with 100% positive feedback that both got hit with numerous negatives after my purchase dates and after seeing the neg's i pretty much knew i wasn't going to see my items. Neither of them ever got delivered and i couldn't make a claim until the end of the estimated shipping time from the listing. Most of these buyers are gonna be waiting awhile seeing that the cards are supposedly coming from China and would take a week or two under normal conditions.

Ah, ok. I see.

Its still hard for me to believe that anyone with any ebay experience would fall for this - Seller in China, no feedback, price not remotely in line with market in most cases, etc... From what others have posted, it doesn't sound like this scam is going to work either if the seller is using paypal.

LarkinCollector

@81 Topps Guy said:
I don’t think a newbie seller can claim the funds in his PayPal account until the item has been delivered. If these cards are being paid for with PayPal no credit card info is at risk

I'm guessing there's some sort of limit before funds are held. It seems all of these are under $25, so maybe the funds are available if the sale stays under a certain threshold. Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense to keep doing this.

erikthredd

@Jimmy_Commonpants Yeah i agree some buyers out there aren't too bright. As for the paypal aspect,this guy might be getting the payments seeing that they're so small in the $15-25 range. When i opened a 2nd ebay account & paypal account recently,the only payments that got held by Paypal were in the $50 & higher range. All of the smaller amounts cleared immediately so this guy is probably getting some money right away. If he wasn't i can't see why he would even keep going at this point.