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Circulated proof Indian Cent?? Opinions

I'm sure it sounds like a long shot, but this coin stuck out like kind of a sore thumb on the rack as having a shiny field and frosty devices. Sorry if the pics are not as good as you would like, but does anyone see any tells that would lead you to confirm this as a proof? Thanks!





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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Polished and excessive marks for the grade.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Polished, possibly whizzed.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 25, 2017 4:42PM

    Polished. Fake cameo!

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    Thanks for the comments so far, for the record, they are not trying tonpass it as a proof as they are only asking $16, it just looked different from the other indian cents as soon as I saw it.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    RUN! Don't waste your money unless you are a grading instructor who wants an example of a fake cameo. Then, IMO, $16 is in line.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,788 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some years ago I had a 1901 Indian that looked to me like a proof. Mirrors with frosted devices. The expert at JJ Teaparty in Boston took one look and said no way. He focused on the edge/rim, which needed to be super sharp for it to be a proof.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a proof... and I agree with the above, it has been 'messed with'...Cheers, RickO

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    sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lacks the squared rims of a proof.

    Should be priced as a harshly cleaned XF, so I think that $16 is on the steep side.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
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    ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This image with some annotations show a few of the areas where the fields aren't polished near the devices that I'm sure were a key tell for all saying whizzed.

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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Someone was playing with their dremal

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2017 9:41AM

    @ModCrewman said: "This image with some annotations show a few of the areas where the fields aren't polished near the devices that I'm sure were a key tell for all saying whizzed."

    The coin is not whizzed. We learned that in order to differentiate a whizzed surface from one that is polished, harshly cleaned, heavily buffed, etc. is to look for the characteristic "raised lip" of metal that is pushed up on one side of the relief. Yeah, that my be technical but that is the way it has been since 1972 when professionals at ANACS changed the ANA's definition of whizzing at the time (Chemically Cleaned! LOL) to the one knowledgeable, long-time, professional authenticators still use today.

    The changes of color on the coin you point out are places where the chemically applied etch has overflowed on to parts of the coin by mistake during an attempt to imitate a "cameo" contrast.

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    ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 That's fine...I wasn't intending my use of "whizzed" to be a technical definition, more of a generalized term that I used to indicate "polished or generally messed with." I do agree that it doesn't appear to be necessarily a rotary whizzing that occurred.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL. Sorry! Numismatic words have certain meanings. I got slapped down pretty good in a class when I misused a word - very embarrassing! There is enough stuff floating around as is that is never corrected. I'm just a little anal.

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