@afford said:
Crypt,
just call me your friendly neighborhood copycat. I like it that you believe you are g-d's gift to trade dollar collectors, that is a good one. It is a shame that when one disagrees with your style of buying at auctions you exact revenge by nonstop attacking on the forum.
What can I say, I guess I am a coin snob, I rather buy coins owned by true noted numismatists like Valentine, Subjack, Newlin, Clapp & Lovejoy although I wouldn't throw a Garrett away.;)
"Brent and his Dad were very interested in pedigrees, especially Eliasberg and Garrett"
mark
If you are constantly going for highest graded then you are bound to run into them.......and I would imagine no reason to be upset when it turns out to be an E or G.
Oh ok. Geez
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@afford said:
I am going to do a 180 here. I was not talking about just the Pogue's of the world since I do not personally know him.
And I apologize to Mr Pogue and anyone else I could have offended. I should not have included Mr Pogue in that group of wealthy individuals who make huge purchases to impress others. I should not have included Mr Pogue in that group of wealthy individuals that are capable of buying the best of the best without giving much thought as to how much it costs simply because they have an unlimited budget whether that was just given to them without personal effort or sacrifice or whether they did actually earn it because I am not privy to how their personal wealth was obtained and can only rely on hearsay which may or may not be true. I don't know what is true directly and It isn't really any of my business.
I do not know Mr Pogue and thus I cannot and should not personally comment on him, what I really was doing was commenting on the whales of the world in this thread.
My point is I have a personal problems with whales of the world so when wealthy individuals are able to buy whatever they want when ever they want without being subject to any limitation like the rest of us mortals are I am absolutely guilty of having a negative opinion of such behavior.
As an example, I don't have a positive opinion of any individual who spends record amounts on a coin(s) only to break a record. I don't have a positive opinion of of any individual who can buy anything they want without regards to price only to have the finest of the finest or the rarest of the rarest just because they can. I don't have a positive opinion of any individual who can take advantage of others in financial regards because he can, because he has the money to do so. To me it is akin to breaking the rules of collecting, as if the constraints that the rest of us have they don't have i.e. the playing field isn't level.
Now many here have opined in the past about whales, and not in a positive way. and it is my own personal upbringing that has led me to believe in this manner of thinking and for that I am 100% guilty. When I hear about incredibly wealthy individuals who are given a blank check and can go on a buying spree and buy what ever they want and change the level of the playing field I call foul. That is the way I think and I will accept all opinions against my way of thinking. I am absolutely guilty of whale discrimination. I guess after growing up in poverty in Queens in the 1960's it had an effect on my way of thinking and my personal story led me to have a problem with the whale like behavior of individuals in all walks of life.
I will admit I have a problem with whales of the world and that is a fact.
I was born in Detroit. I didn't have two nickels to my name until I was 35.
My advise. Be grateful for what you have in life. I'm sure you have more then a lot of folks..
mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@afford said:
Does it really matter. When you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth and your dad writes the checks for any amount how is that a good thing to anyone in the hobby other than the seller of the big dollar item. I an only think of 1 or 2 members here who would benefit from his continued collecting.
It’s odd how so many people resent the wealthy. It’s as if they don’t understand that most fortunes are created by doing great things for other people, and earning fair compensation for doing so. I mean, people can’t be that stupid, can they? Speaking for myself, I’d be ok with it if someone cured cancer, made billions, and chose to collect coins with the money. And I can certainly think of worse ways to spend the money!
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
It's amazing to me that anyone would complain about someone else's desire to own the absolute best and to try to achieve that goal. Greater wealth means nothing more than the ability to purchase at a higher level than one with less wealth. Every collector I have ever met has wanted to own the best item that they are able to afford and tried to achieve that goal. When the wealth level becomes an issue it is purely jealousy and any pure collector should actively seek to put it aside. I love to look at beautiful coins that our out of my purchase level, but I do not hate the individual that can own them. JMO
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
WOW, can't believe some of the comments. A guy takes the time to create on of the all-time great collections and he gets criticized for his family wealth and seeking assistance from knowledgeable dealers? WTF? The Pogue catalog is one of the best, both in terms of the spectacular coins and the information. We should be thanking the numismatic gods that Brent and his dad made the effort and spent their money.
I will simply say I appreciate all spoon silver plastic or other and have never heard such discourse or jealous stupidity. With that I will post a coin because it’s mine and who cares what others think.
I remember when I met Brad Pogue in 2000, it was at one of my first coin shows. I was young and had only little money. I was standing in line for early access to the coin show and was standing behind Brad. For some reason he told me he bought the PR 68 1804 Dollar just a few months ago at auction for 4 Mio USD, and when I said wow, he laughed at me and asked if I have been the underbidder. Of course he knew I was not. I remember I felt small and stupid next to him when he said this and I thought back then thats exactly what he wanted me to feel like. I would have never believed nor thought that I would own about 20 years later many of his great rarities. This just reminds me that life is a marathon and not a sprint. And it reminds me to always stay humble, anyways there is almost never a reason not to be humble.
@privaterarecoincollector said:
I remember when I met Brad Pogue in 2000, it was at one of my first coin shows. I was young and had only little money. I was standing in line for early access to the coin show and was standing behind Brad. For some reason he told me he bought the PR 68 1804 Dollar just a few months ago at auction for 4 Mio USD, and when I said wow, he laughed at me and asked if I have been the underbidder. Of course he knew I was not. I remember I felt small and stupid next to him when he said this and I thought back then thats exactly what he wanted me to feel like.
Two thoughts.
First, I'm sure Brent wasn't thinking about how his comments would make you feel. That's not how people think. Maybe on some level he said what he said out of insecurity and bragging made him feel better, but even that's a stretch. More likely, he was in coin show mode, eager to talk coins with anyone who would listen, and didn't think twice about talking to someone not much older than he was when he started buying mega-coins. At the very least, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Second, there are probably more than a few people who feel "small and stupid" when they read your posts on this forum. (Not that they should, of course.) If anyone here should understand my first point, it's you.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I'm confused. Who is Brad Pogue? I just remembered Mack was the dad.
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@privaterarecoincollector said:
I remember when I met Brad Pogue in 2000, it was at one of my first coin shows. I was young and had only little money. I was standing in line for early access to the coin show and was standing behind Brad. For some reason he told me he bought the PR 68 1804 Dollar just a few months ago at auction for 4 Mio USD, and when I said wow, he laughed at me and asked if I have been the underbidder. Of course he knew I was not. I remember I felt small and stupid next to him when he said this and I thought back then thats exactly what he wanted me to feel like.
Two thoughts.
First, I'm sure Brent wasn't thinking about how his comments would make you feel. That's not how people think. Maybe on some level he said what he said out of insecurity and bragging made him feel better, but even that's a stretch. More likely, he was in coin show mode, eager to talk coins with anyone who would listen, and didn't think twice about talking to someone not much older than he was when he started buying mega-coins. At the very least, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Second, there are probably more than a few people who feel "small and stupid" when they read your posts on this forum. (Not that they should, of course.) If anyone here should understand my first point, it's you.
I actually did enjoy when Brent would bring around a tray of show and tell coins at the show. Usually 8 or 10 crazy eye appeal, high grade and rarity that definitely drew interest from everyone. I think the coins themselves were a little smug to us meer mortals. Bret was proud and clearly excited by the coins. I met him several times but didn't really get to know him. Last time I talked to him after the pogue sale
I think at long beach show he said he was still collecting.
We had a collector on the card side that reminds me of this thread. He had amassed a wonderful collection of rare vintage cards, particularly a piece that was a one of one. But he was abrasive and condescending to a maddening state. There were collectors like him and then there were Trailer trash collectors. He made few friends on the boards and very few collector friends in life. He died surrounded by his collection and little else.
I’d rather be humble, have a modest collection surrounded by friends and the friendships I’ve made along the way in this journey.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@2dueces said:
We had a collector on the card side that reminds me of this thread. He had amassed a wonderful collection of rare vintage cards, particularly a piece that was a one of one. But he was abrasive and condescending to a madding state. There were collectors like him and then there were Trailer trash collectors. He made few friends on the boards and very few collector friends in life. He died surrounded by his collection and little else.
I’d rather be humble, have a modest collection surrounded by friends and the friendships I’ve made along the way in this journey.
@2dueces said:
We had a collector on the card side that reminds me of this thread. He had amassed a wonderful collection of rare vintage cards, particularly a piece that was a one of one. But he was abrasive and condescending to a maddening state. There were collectors like him and then there were Trailer trash collectors. He made few friends on the boards and very few collector friends in life. He died surrounded by his collection and little else.
I’d rather be humble, have a modest collection surrounded by friends and the friendships I’ve made along the way in this journey.
I’d rather be humble, have a fantastic collection and have lots of friends.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Nattering Naybobs of Negativity can be so entertaining ! Methinks someone here needs to rag on Bill Gates (or would it be Steve Jobs ?) for giving them the means to create digital mayhem.
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I don't know if this means a thing but I saw him at Long Beach on Thursday. I hope he's still collecting...the family did a great job before....
jom
Oh ok. Geez
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I was born in Detroit. I didn't have two nickels to my name until I was 35.
My advise. Be grateful for what you have in life. I'm sure you have more then a lot of folks..
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I think he still has the finest known 1854-S $5 Gold Half Eagle.
Oh dear, the name has begun spoken...
Yeah, I hate customers who have money to waste on shiny metal disks. I will only sell to people who can't afford them.
Man... wonder why business is so slow?
Someone in this thread seems to have been born with a silver fork up their arse
It’s odd how so many people resent the wealthy. It’s as if they don’t understand that most fortunes are created by doing great things for other people, and earning fair compensation for doing so. I mean, people can’t be that stupid, can they? Speaking for myself, I’d be ok with it if someone cured cancer, made billions, and chose to collect coins with the money. And I can certainly think of worse ways to spend the money!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
It's amazing to me that anyone would complain about someone else's desire to own the absolute best and to try to achieve that goal. Greater wealth means nothing more than the ability to purchase at a higher level than one with less wealth. Every collector I have ever met has wanted to own the best item that they are able to afford and tried to achieve that goal. When the wealth level becomes an issue it is purely jealousy and any pure collector should actively seek to put it aside. I love to look at beautiful coins that our out of my purchase level, but I do not hate the individual that can own them. JMO
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
WOW, can't believe some of the comments. A guy takes the time to create on of the all-time great collections and he gets criticized for his family wealth and seeking assistance from knowledgeable dealers? WTF? The Pogue catalog is one of the best, both in terms of the spectacular coins and the information. We should be thanking the numismatic gods that Brent and his dad made the effort and spent their money.
I'm not rich, but Laura lets me buy from her anyway.
I will simply say I appreciate all spoon silver plastic or other and have never heard such discourse or jealous stupidity. With that I will post a coin because it’s mine and who cares what others think.
Best place to buy !
Bronze Associate member
I remember when I met Brad Pogue in 2000, it was at one of my first coin shows. I was young and had only little money. I was standing in line for early access to the coin show and was standing behind Brad. For some reason he told me he bought the PR 68 1804 Dollar just a few months ago at auction for 4 Mio USD, and when I said wow, he laughed at me and asked if I have been the underbidder. Of course he knew I was not. I remember I felt small and stupid next to him when he said this and I thought back then thats exactly what he wanted me to feel like. I would have never believed nor thought that I would own about 20 years later many of his great rarities. This just reminds me that life is a marathon and not a sprint. And it reminds me to always stay humble, anyways there is almost never a reason not to be humble.
Two thoughts.
First, I'm sure Brent wasn't thinking about how his comments would make you feel. That's not how people think. Maybe on some level he said what he said out of insecurity and bragging made him feel better, but even that's a stretch. More likely, he was in coin show mode, eager to talk coins with anyone who would listen, and didn't think twice about talking to someone not much older than he was when he started buying mega-coins. At the very least, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Second, there are probably more than a few people who feel "small and stupid" when they read your posts on this forum. (Not that they should, of course.) If anyone here should understand my first point, it's you.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
I'm confused. Who is Brad Pogue? I just remembered Mack was the dad.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
His father is named Mack. I assume Brad is a typo.
yes sorry, Brent Pogue.
I don't hate any of my rich friends and I love my poor friends equally
I actually did enjoy when Brent would bring around a tray of show and tell coins at the show. Usually 8 or 10 crazy eye appeal, high grade and rarity that definitely drew interest from everyone. I think the coins themselves were a little smug to us meer mortals.
Bret was proud and clearly excited by the coins. I met him several times but didn't really get to know him. Last time I talked to him after the pogue sale
I think at long beach show he said he was still collecting.
We had a collector on the card side that reminds me of this thread. He had amassed a wonderful collection of rare vintage cards, particularly a piece that was a one of one. But he was abrasive and condescending to a maddening state. There were collectors like him and then there were Trailer trash collectors. He made few friends on the boards and very few collector friends in life. He died surrounded by his collection and little else.
I’d rather be humble, have a modest collection surrounded by friends and the friendships I’ve made along the way in this journey.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Well said.
I don't mean to offend anyone, but I don't understand this thread.
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I’d rather be humble, have a fantastic collection and have lots of friends.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
You're lucky!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Martin Paul introduced me to Brent, at a bar, before a Baltimore auction years ago.
We were all ourselves and talked coins. Great time.
Brent later outbid me on a pattern we never discussed. He was right.
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
would like to spend some more time with Brent in future, other than just this one minute I had.
Nattering Naybobs of Negativity can be so entertaining ! Methinks someone here needs to rag on Bill Gates (or would it be Steve Jobs ?) for giving them the means to create digital mayhem.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
Nice coin KKathyl is that a DC coin?