PWCC Auctions ..

lawyer05

why does this card go for 100 plus when 2 versions are here for cheaper....
why and I bid ..probably would have gone higher ...
whhyy... PWCC are u so good

Dpeck100

Eyeballs, reputation, presentation and in some cases other issues.

Of the three their high resolution scan and black background make the card jump out at you. So many sellers should invest in an EpsonV600 and use better scans.

lawyer05

it's constant though...every single time

KbKards

If you buy it now then it's no big deal, all you did was buy it now. If you're battling it out at auction, bidding and sniping in the trenches and beating all others, then you're the winner. The winning sensation will make you feel powerful, confident and strong, although if it lasts longer than 4 hours you should see a doctor.

Jimmy_Commonpants

This is why I shake my head at the mindset that you should use ebay to price cards. The buyer of that obviously overpaid and its clearly not worth $100+ if the same dang card can be bought for significantly less.

And can anyone explain the serial # on PWCC's card? PSA isn't anywhere near 40 million. Aaron Judge cards just graded start with 27. Is PWCC's even legit?

lawyer05

@KbKards said:
If you buy it now then it's no big deal, all you did was buy it now. If you're battling it out at auction, bidding and sniping in the trenches and beating all others, then you're the winner. The winning sensation will make you feel powerful, confident and strong, although if it lasts longer than 4 hours you should see a doctor.

LMAO ....... I understand the auction rush... But when I'm about to snipe if I see a card at $75 and $69 ill probably not snipe higher then that. I think you are describing Viagra not auction rush.

What if you buy it now before someone buys it now.?
I still get a rush......like ..im gonna buy this card before someone else sees it !!!!

That 69 dollar one looks centered ....new holder..etc etc....why would someone 100 plus pay shipping depending on the value of the bid..... cray cray ... its a frigging 9 people.....

Maybe el Chapo is buying from PWCC to launder

by the way I already have this card and paid $50 for it

grote15

A lot of buyers simply skip over BIN listings, too.

There's always greater upside (with corresponding risk) in listing a card at 99 cents with no reserve vs listing it at a higher price from the start. How many times will you see bidding wars between two buyers outbidding one another above retail value just to outbid the other person? That's another reason why sniping is the best way to bid.

lawyer05

here is another I was watching yesterday ...and also ended yesterday
the other 2 buy it now have been up for 1 year and the pwcc sells in 7 days and for more
spare me the details

lawyer05

but that Epson scanner ..must have done the job...

grote15

You ought to message the other sellers and ask them to cancel the BIN listings and relist at 99 cents with no reserve for a true auction, lol..,

lawyer05

that makes no sense... it does not bother me ... i see PWCC... i push delete .... unless i want to pay dearly....lmao

grote15

@lawyer05 said:
that makes no sense... it does not bother me ... i see PWCC... i push delete .... unless i want to pay dearly....lmao

It must bother you to some extent to start a thread and take the time to post all these comparisons..

grote15

I'm also certain if you dug deep enough, you'd also find examples where the PWCC card sold for less than the BIN price for that same card, and maybe even more examples in the regard, too. With true auctions, the fluctuation in pricing is often significant, even between identical cards selling at the same time.

lawyer05

nope...with pwcc very little go under buy it now .. I'm sending the crisser to investigate this immediately
this is another hector lopez I was watching

lawyer05

the only explanation is I think they sell to China or the middle East where there is no u.s. ebay

lawyer05

@grote15 said:

@lawyer05 said:
that makes no sense... it does not bother me ... i see PWCC... i push delete .... unless i want to pay dearly....lmao

It must bother you to some extent to start a thread and take the time to post all these comparisons..

I'm pointing out ..hoping for some explanation. Other then they use an Epson or they use a black background or the Auction rush that only works with PWCC

grote15

The 1958 card is a good example of why sniping is a better way to bid. The underbidder bid $140 minutes before the auction ended, but was still outbid by the high bidder, so they rebid at $165 bumping the winner up to $167.50. Had the winning bidder set a snipe instead of bidding their max well before the auction's end, the underbidder would not have had time to even consider rebidding $165 and the winner would have won the card for $142.50 and saved $25.

http://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/352132336676?item=352132336676&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

lawyer05

@grote15 said:

@lawyer05 said:
that makes no sense... it does not bother me ... i see PWCC... i push delete .... unless i want to pay dearly....lmao

It must bother you to some extent to start a thread and take the time to post all these comparisons..

yes i paid dearly for rare pwcc card yesterday...

Like i said i just push delete or prepare to bring the checkbook and pay cray cray...

lawyer05

@lawyer05 said:

@grote15 said:

@lawyer05 said:
that makes no sense... it does not bother me ... i see PWCC... i push delete .... unless i want to pay dearly....lmao

It must bother you to some extent to start a thread and take the time to post all these comparisons..

yes i paid dearly for rare pwcc card yesterday...

Like i said i just push delete or prepare to bring the checkbook and pay cray cray...

the card i bought yesterday i hadn't seen in 10 years ..

grote15

@lawyer05 said:

@grote15 said:

@lawyer05 said:
that makes no sense... it does not bother me ... i see PWCC... i push delete .... unless i want to pay dearly....lmao

It must bother you to some extent to start a thread and take the time to post all these comparisons..

I'm pointing out ..hoping for some explanation. Other then they use an Epson or they use a black background or the Auction rush that only works with PWCC

I provided an explanation earlier...many bidders are competitive by nature and will continue to bid simply to outbid the other person. It's been happening on ebay for years and is the primary reason why true auctions often yield the highest prices, though of course there is some risk also involved. Also, many buyers simply ignore BIN auctions in the first place.

lawyer05

June 21 2017
card sells for $873 from pwcc

lawyer05

same serial number ...
yesterday ....
anyways ..im sure there is a complete rational explanation

lawyer05

these are just the cards that I follow ...i don't go looking for cards to compare
I have the #1 carew and #1 lopez set ...so I'm only looking at my player sets and I find this ..every day with pwcc

jackstraw

The non PWCC Lopez has been reduced and the original asking is within a couple dollars close to the PWCC ending price.

lawyer05

sorry ..both 1957 hector lopez cards were sold by pwcc...
I wasn't clear
pwcc sold the same card and same serial 2 months apart

SpinFadeSplash23

I am not going to call out the card because I am accumulating it in quantity, but even on auctions, the price difference between a PWCC and non-PWCC (like Probstein) is pretty amazing. A certain card was currently bid at $823 on PWCC with four days left. The same card, same grade, just as nice eye appeal ended at $643 that night. It really is amazing.

lawyer05

@jackstraw said:
The non PWCC Lopez has been reduced and the original asking is within a couple dollars close to the PWCC ending price.

like i said its the same seller and it's 100 dollars apart ...

lawyer05

@SpinFadeSplash23 said:
I am not going to call out the card because I am accumulating it in quantity, but even on auctions, the price difference between a PWCC and non-PWCC (like Probstein) is pretty amazing. A certain card was currently bid at $823 on PWCC with four days left. The same card, same grade, just as nice eye appeal ended at $643 that night. It really is amazing.

"accumulating" .... I love accumulaters !!

jackstraw

@lawyer05 said:

@jackstraw said:
The non PWCC Lopez has been reduced and the original asking is within a couple dollars close to the PWCC ending price.

like i said its the same seller and it's 100 dollars apart ...

It was probably reduced after the PWCC auction so it's not like it was sitting out there for someone to buy.

jackstraw

Sorry I was talking about the 58 Lopez. The 57 one is probably a case of a non payment? I can't imagine they would be that dumb? I would assume they know a lot of eyeballs are in them...

lawyer05

NO ..... u are not understanding the words that are coming out of my mouth.....

PWCC auctioned it in june 21 2017 for $873 dollars
PWCC AUCTIONED SAME CARD same serial number in august 16 2017 for for $988

@jackstraw said:

@lawyer05 said:

@jackstraw said:
The non PWCC Lopez has been reduced and the original asking is within a couple dollars close to the PWCC ending price.

like i said its the same seller and it's 100 dollars apart ...

It was probably reduced after the PWCC auction so it's not like it was sitting out there for someone to buy.

lawyer05

@jackstraw said:
Sorry I was talking about the 58 Lopez. The 57 one is probably a case of a non payment? I can't imagine they would be that dumb? I would assume they know a lot of eyeballs are in them...

could be non-payment

MrHockey

I can't take anyone who uses that font seriously

lawyer05

@MrHockey said:
I can't take anyone who uses that font seriously

i think thats the app.... i cannot change .....

vintagefun

When I want a card, I try to look at all options. Assuming cards are same grade, and roughly same eye appeal, I'm going for the lower priced card...every time.

I will usually keep an eye on an auction in hopes that I can maybe snag it for less than a comparative BIN, with a "manual" snipe at less than BIN, meaning a bid in the final 5 seconds. Often, if the auction pops the BIN price before that point, I just take down the BIN or continue to wait. If my snipe gets outbid, I'll go for the BIN too...and feel good about it.

As we know, not all grades are created equal so that can play into it. Also, not all sellers are created equal, so that can play as well. PWCC is great for many reasons, and I think they have a loyal buying base, and to Tim's point, some people are just competitive by nature and don't want to lose if they've decided that's the card/seller for them. Plus, there may be some manipulation. Possibly even from the guy with the BIN.

Great cards in strong grades do well with PWCC. But try selling a 1990 Action Packed Jerry Rice in a PSA 7 and you'll likely see a BIN do better.

SDSportsFan

On just the 1974 Topps Carew/Rose #201:

The first card is from 4SC, who has their own detractors who have vented ad-nauseum on this forum. They also do not provide scans of the card backs, so you don't know what you're getting.

The second card has noticeable print defects and is diamond-cut.

The third card is PWCC, who also has their detractors. They do however, have many happy bidders who buy only from them. Also, they provide excellent, large scans of both the front AND back of each card, so you know what you're getting.

Steve

SDSportsFan

On the 1976 Kellogg's Carew, the $19.99 card is from 4SC - again, no scan of the back and scan not enlargeable.

The total paid for the PWCC card is just about the same as the other BIN card, so no issue there. Plus, the total for the BIN card is $27.90. If the winner of the PWCC card also won other cards in that auction, the P&H on the Carew is 50 cents, meaning they will pay $1.40 LESS than they would have paid for the BIN card.

Steve

grote15

@SDSportsFan said:
On the 1976 Kellogg's Carew, the $19.99 card is from 4SC - again, no scan of the back and scan not enlargeable.

The total paid for the PWCC card is just about the same as the other BIN card, so no issue there. Plus, the total for the BIN card is $27.90. If the winner of the PWCC card also won other cards in that auction, the P&H on the Carew is 50 cents, meaning they will pay $1.40 LESS than they would have paid for the BIN card.

Steve

Excellent points.

lawyer05

@grote15 said:

@SDSportsFan said:
On the 1976 Kellogg's Carew, the $19.99 card is from 4SC - again, no scan of the back and scan not enlargeable.

The total paid for the PWCC card is just about the same as the other BIN card, so no issue there. Plus, the total for the BIN card is $27.90. If the winner of the PWCC card also won other cards in that auction, the P&H on the Carew is 50 cents, meaning they will pay $1.40 LESS than they would have paid for the BIN card.

Steve

Excellent points.

the other 2 cards have been on sale for 1 years and the pwcc auction comes along and now someone all of a sudden wants a 1976 kellogs carew lol

lawyer05

anyways, I'm done ..if u are on ebay 24/7 u know what I'm talking about ..PWCC definetely does a great job selling your items

moonlightgraham

@grote15 said:
I'm also certain if you dug deep enough, you'd also find examples where the PWCC card sold for less than the BIN price for that same card, and maybe even more examples in the regard, too. With true auctions, the fluctuation in pricing is often significant, even between identical cards selling at the same time.

I agree. I have purchased cards from PWCC below Buy It Now prices specifically for the 1965 Topps Joe Namath rookie card.

SpinFadeSplash23

Toss in the Ebay Cashback, Ebay Bucks and Ebates Cashback programs, it makes the true hammer price a little more convoluted to determine on certain items.

belz

I consign with pwcc all the time...in their current auction I have 500 cards for the value...they are much better in value and final price then when I sell on my own. Also, I purchase cards from them and love the fact that I can sometimes get a good deal on the cards I want due to auction format. Pwcc is so great for our hobby. Not sure what the argument is, but sometimes cards get overpriced and sometimes you get a deal. Timing and supply/demand is always the biggest factor in my opinion when everything else (auction house) is equal.

lawyer05

@belz said:
I consign with pwcc all the time...in their current auction I have 500 cards for the value...they are much better in value and final price then when I sell on my own. Also, I purchase cards from them and love the fact that I can sometimes get a good deal on the cards I want due to auction format. Pwcc is so great for our hobby. Not sure what the argument is, but sometimes cards get overpriced and sometimes you get a deal. Timing and supply/demand is always the biggest factor in my opinion when everything else (auction house) is equal.

u have 500 cards raw or graded ?

belz

Graded. Cost me $300 in shipping charges...it's worth it to me as not one card in that bunch mattered to me. Over the next year I'll probably consign another 2k cards easy...but also some lots.

AaronfromKy

I haven't read this entire thread so someone may have already said this but I go on eBay to BUY CARDS THAT I WANT. Not to get a thrill by winning auctions. I never even bother to follow a card that is on PWCC because as the OP has stated, You are paying much higher to the point of getting ripped off than elsewhere on eBay.

I too can go on and on about cards that sale on there much higher than others that has a good front and back scan and sellers have 100% reviews.

Does a portion of there sales go to some charity or something that I am unawares?

Thanks

belz

@AaronfromKy said:
I haven't read this entire thread so someone may have already said this but I go on eBay to BUY CARDS THAT I WANT. Not to get a thrill by winning auctions. I never even bother to follow a card that is on PWCC because as the OP has stated, You are paying much higher to the point of getting ripped off than elsewhere on eBay.

Does a portion of there sales go to some charity or something that I am unawares?

Thanks

I don't get paid by pwcc but I must say this statement is just false. A clemens PSA 10 rookie (mine) just sold for mid 300s...I think that's a fair deal and probably less than typical. There are thousands of examples where this statement is false. Some go for more and some less and some are more centered examples with better eye appeal...again, it's timing and supply and demand. I've gotten steals from pwcc..pick your spots.

AaronfromKy

I'm sorry. I agree with the OP. I've seen it too many times. And too many other collectors have the same opinion as mine. Sure, some auctions or BIN's do go for less than the other places on eBay but the vast majority are sold at higher prices. And I do not blame PWCC one bit for it. After all, they are not the ones setting these high prices.

KendallCat

@AaronfromKy said:
I haven't read this entire thread so someone may have already said this but I go on eBay to BUY CARDS THAT I WANT. Not to get a thrill by winning auctions. I never even bother to follow a card that is on PWCC because as the OP has stated, You are paying much higher to the point of getting ripped off than elsewhere on eBay.

I too can go on and on about cards that sale on there much higher than others that has a good front and back scan and sellers have 100% reviews.

Does a portion of there sales go to some charity or something that I am unawares?

Thanks

I understand some of the angst about PWCC based on past issues discussed here and other boards. I do disagree with the comment "you are paying much higher to the point of getting ripped off than elsewhere on eBay." Don't understand this comment at all and this is from a fellow Kentuckian

Explain how you get ripped off on a PWCC auction?

YOU decide how much you want to bid.

YOU can set a snipe for a price you want to pay.

YOU know what a card goes for and with VCP and other tools have sales history to help out today more than ever.

If you pay too much how is that the fault of PWCC or anyone other seller - you place the bids and not them. If you don't place the bid they nor anyone else can rip you off in my book.

KC

AaronfromKy

I may have misdirected my complaints. I know it's not PWCC's fault that prices are so high. They are just the middle man. I guess that you would be ripping yourself off by paying such a high price for something you know you could get a better deal on. But then again I say to myself that there has to be schill bidding going on. I heard PWCC is good at preventing that but...It wasn't my intention to bash PWCC. But you have to admit that the other major auction houses on eBay don't have runaway prices like that.

Sdub

@grote15 said:

@lawyer05 said:

@grote15 said:

@lawyer05 said:
that makes no sense... it does not bother me ... i see PWCC... i push delete .... unless i want to pay dearly....lmao

It must bother you to some extent to start a thread and take the time to post all these comparisons..

I'm pointing out ..hoping for some explanation. Other then they use an Epson or they use a black background or the Auction rush that only works with PWCC

I provided an explanation earlier...many bidders are competitive by nature and will continue to bid simply to outbid the other person. It's been happening on ebay for years and is the primary reason why true auctions often yield the highest prices, though of course there is some risk also involved. Also, many buyers simply ignore BIN auctions in the first place.

I've ignored BIN's for two years now, and my life is so much more enjoyable. Finding the 1/1000 BIN card that is priced right is not worth my time. Nor do I have time to squabble back and forth to get to a reasonable price.