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Is it? I say yes - 1911-D $2 1/2

jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 10, 2017 6:51PM in U.S. Coin Forum

If so, someone just got a decent deal. I bid last second, but it wasn't high enough. Darn it.

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    ArizonaRareCoinsArizonaRareCoins Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes, 1911-d. The diagnostics for the 1911-d are there............ " A series of marks on the edge of the rim above the "ES" in states and the "O" in of and a wavy rim edge above "TED" in united on the reverse"

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    TopdollarpaidTopdollarpaid Posts: 603 ✭✭✭

    Hard to tell by those pictures but I doubt it

    Randy Conway

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    NumivenNumiven Posts: 382 ✭✭✭

    The obv should have a wire edge like rim from 11 to little more than 3, maybe this is worn off?
    Marks over ES, which it seems is there...
    Even if this is it, its a very weak D.

    There are 1000s of nice looking examples of these. Pretty much every major auction has several of them in conditions up until 62. It gets rarer after that.

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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Numiven said:

    The obv should have a wire edge like rim from 11 to little more than 3, maybe this is worn off?
    Marks over ES, which it seems is there...
    Even if this is it, its a very weak D.

    There are 1000s of nice looking examples of these. Pretty much every major auction has several of them in conditions up until 62. It gets rarer after that.

    I have seen many (and owned a few) that have no wire edge. This one has the diagnostic I have seen on every 1911-D though. Even though I see no D, I would imagine it would straight grade, and still go for over a grand easy.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is not even a ghost of a D apparent on those pictures.... not sure if 'in hand' under a microscope, one could be detected. Diagnostics appear to be there though... Cheers, RickO

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can see a very faint D.

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My understanding is that the TRUE diagnostic is a die scratch in the reverse arrowhead.

    ???????

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are many diagnostics on both sides of 1911-D's. It seems the one most have heard of is the scalloped edge on the left side of the reverse. The scratch at the arrow heads is another in a protected area. I have no opinion on this off-color, dirty coin, with no "D" visible. By the color alone, it looks counterfeit to me.

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    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The only true diagnoatic PUP that is on every weak D is the vertical die scratch just in front of the arrow tips. Can't really make it out in LFCP's though.

    The more you VAM..
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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just pushed the "disagree" on you but changed it. There are four major "true" diagnostics on both sides of these coins and not just one. In spite of several classes, I never even heard about the scratch at the arrows until about five years ago when an ex-PCGS grader told me about it.

    It seems there are still some "inside" secrets left to authenticators. I should like to be a fly on the wall if all the TPGS authenticators could get in a room and have a private exchange of diagnostics on all the key coins!

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    There are many diagnostics on both sides of 1911-D's. It seems the one most have heard of is the scalloped edge on the left side of the reverse. The scratch at the arrow heads is another in a protected area. I have no opinion on this off-color, dirty coin, with no "D" visible. By the color alone, it looks counterfeit to me.

    The nasty color could just be a bad pic....just saying.

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    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    I just pushed the "disagree" on you but changed it. There are four major "true" diagnostics on both sides of these coins and not just one. In spite of several classes, I never even heard about the scratch at the arrows until about five years ago when an ex-PCGS grader told me about it.

    It seems there are still some "inside" secrets left to authenticators. I should like to be a fly on the wall if all the TPGS authenticators could get in a room and have a private exchange of diagnostics on all the key coins!

    Here's a thread with good pics of the die scratch...

    https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=229178

    The more you VAM..
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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    There are many diagnostics on both sides of 1911-D's. It seems the one most have heard of is the scalloped edge on the left side of the reverse. The scratch at the arrow heads is another in a protected area. I have no opinion on this off-color, dirty coin, with no "D" visible. By the color alone, it looks counterfeit to me.

    They are really bad pictures. They listed several Indians, and all looked good in my opinion. The scans/pictures were terrible though.

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