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Looks like edynamicmarketing is toning in the holder again. Jefferson nickels this time.
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Note the destruction of the hologram labels when this is done.
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Just who are getting fooled by these?
Has PCGS ever addressed this Eddie dude?
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Going through the store's completed sales and feedback shows that this is a fairly high volume seller, selling 39 coins yesterday, but at least only 2 of those yesterday were in PCGS slabs. Of note, they currently have 10,825 items for sale in Coins & Paper Money.
Good to know about the hologram...
I don't think the guy is getting rich, but he does do volume.
As for PCGS, we bring this stuff up all of the time here on the forum.
Although we are all pretty sure that the coins are being gassed in the holders, you can not assume that he process is destroying the hologram on and lettering on the reverse. Many times this is from stickers that are used by dealers, auction companies, and collectors alike. When you try to peel off the old sticker part or parts of the writing and hologram come off with the sticker. Usually it happens when the stickers are old and have been on the holder for a while. I have heard about it happening and seen it happen first hand.
Those look ghastly, and phony as heck.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
It is just hard to fathom that PCGS apparently can do nothing about this ...(based upon the length of time this has been going on)
We on the forum have seen the holograms bubble up from gassing. It's not the normal damage one might see on a hologram sticker.
Somebody should send old Eddie a suggestion that hydrogen cyanide gas will give him SPECTACULAR results...
Also the usual cr*ppy pictures.
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Ok, well all I guess that what I have seen with my own eyes and other first hand accounts was just a mirage. I am not saying that it was not damaged in the process of gassing. I am saying don't just assume that caused it because there are other ways that the logo and hologram can get damaged.
I only wish that he would be prosecuted; however, I doubt the state would expend vast resources on what is a far from guaranteed outcome.
Of note, eBay lists 517 sold PCGS items and 792 active PCGS items.
Link to last years thread where they notice a pattern of bubbled holograms, 2nd page I believe.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/970898/well-this-is-a-little-concerning/p2
What temperature do you think they bake them at?
Collector, occasional seller
vacuum and sulfur if I were guessing
@bolivarshagnasty Looks like two different types of logo damage to me. The two holders in this thread are older holders and the other is a newer holder that you refer to which is blatantly obvious to what you speak of.
Possible Sticker damage, no bubbles.
Possible sticker damage, no bubbles
Heat damage
I am certainly not an attorney, but is this not damaging the PCGS reputation?
bob:(
I wonder if his is submitting to PCGS.....if so then PCGS should be able to easily catch this arse.
bob
who is daft enough to buy such wretched looking coins?
The more he ruins, the rarer the unruined coins become.
I think people are getting more leery about toned coins in general with what is natural and what is artificial toning. There are lots of toned coins coming out of the woodwork, and there are some that are cooking and gassing coins to take advantage of others and line their own pockets.
Notice the ring at 10:00 on the reverse. The same anomaly is on both. I wonder if that's his point of entry spot for a gas filled needle
I've seen that sort of hologram damage before its caused by too much garlic in the butter
Everyone talks about prosecution... Well, that really is not possible. An owner of a coin (slabbed or not) is free to do as he/she wishes....just as an owner of a car is free to modify it .... as far as disclosure, well, that is an ethical issue, and again, not criminal. Is it wrong? Sure.. especially from our perspective... is it damaging to the hobby? Yes... Are people buying these coins? Definitely yes, because of the tarnish craze. Once again, his coin, he can do whatever he wants.... Cheers, RickO
I would have to agree with RickO.
all that aside and claiming to know nothing about the seller, gassing coins or the "bubble effect" on the Hologram let me say this: I have actively collected toned Proof Jefferson Nickels for quite a while, nothing about the OP's two linked coins looks over the top to me. I have purchased coins at shows, clubs, shops/in OGP, stapled 2x2's, folders, albums and TPG holders. Nickels tone in unexpected ways, especially Proof Nickels.
the top two pictures are of mostly the same coins and the bottom two are different coins taken fro two different OGP sets about 8-10 years apart.
I'm ahgassed.
Who's getting fooled? Nearly 7,000 completed transactions can't all have gotten NT coins.
Do you believe that PCGS would slab these two PF69 with spots on them? We've already proven in the past that this Seller buys them white and sells them toned.
Same here. Especially the first one. I would buy it as MA but the second one would make me think thrice
@CascadeChris
Hope you get the new position.
PCGS could really help themselves by providing pictures of all the coins they grade, if NGC can do it I don't see why PCGS can't. This guy sells a lot of toned coins that are not gassed, I'm sure that helps him sell the gassed ones. I have a buy it now toned Morgan on eBay and he's given me three offers on it, the last one was a number I would accept but since it was him I declined it. I just don't feel right being involved with this guy at all.
PCGS requires Secure service (which comes with photos) for many foreign coins so they could do the same with US coins. It's a business decision.
This guy has single handedly messed up so many coins he should be in jail. Seriously I look at this dude like a criminal. Not to mention what he doing now with the gas I am super surprised pcgs hasn't stepped in yet. This has got to stop. My hardline opinion.
I think he's ruining the market for toned PCGS coins for short term gain. The coins come up so often that they dominate the listings for some PCGS toned coins with sponsored listings too. If a collector is new to these, it's easy to be fooled. And then what about when these are resold?
His "gassing" of coins has improved.........that is NOT a good thing. Here are some of his old offensive PCGS gasses:
His coin photography has improved as well. The one above (PCGS 81852309) finally sold with his improved photos shown below:
Yes! Thank you for saving those images!
Collector, occasional seller
Do you believe that PCGS would slab these two PF69 with spots on them? We've already proven in the past that this Seller buys them white and sells them toned.
I'm not trying to backtrack on my comment, but I never looked at the grade or anything else, don't know about the seller or "proof" you mentioned. I simply followed the links and looked at the coins. my post was about the tone.
I will say this, PCGS tends to not grade toned modern coins 69, at least not when I submit them.
@keets said: "I will say this, PCGS tends to not grade toned modern coins 69, at least not when I submit them.'
This is not directed specifically to you but I have a suggestion. Pretty toning usually will be a plus on a coin yet it can hide defects. Examine you coins extremely closely. The grading services generally will not grade a modern coin with more than 4-5X if they use magnification at all on the coin. Therefore, you should prescreen you coins at 10X in a dark room with a 100W bulb. If you see anything detracting, it is not a true 70. To get a 69, only one tiny defect should be visible. Often the tiny mint-made struck thru's (often tolerated on BU examples) are mistaken for defects on toned coins.
Keets, The proof I mention is exactly what ArizonaRareCoins posted above. Those are before and after pictures with the same cert #. As you say, the proof 69 grade is seldom handed out when it's a toned coin. I own one, but don't remember seeing another.
PF69
I just noticed these jerks bought one my one of my naturally toned Morgans and stole my photos for their listing. Per eBay this is copyright infringement. I will be filing a claim ASAP.
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There's no discrimination in holder. In addition to covering all major TPGs, here is one in OGP.
Welcome to the club. They did precisely the same thing to me. They bought a coin from me then within minutes had it listed on their store using my images. I raised a big stink with eBay and with messages to them. In the end they filed a SNAD against me and waited until the very last day to ship the coin back. I then waited until the very last day to issue an e-check from PayPal to refund them. I have also added them to my blocked buyers list. I was surprised that they did not leave negative feedback as I was fully prepared to have that removed.
Here are the communications between William of edynamicmarketing and I.
I had one like this once, straight from the mint proof cellophane
I have seen many proof nickels from the 60s in OGP that look like this coin.
edynamicmarketing now has signed images. Somehow when I ran across 66 of these as thumbnails, I knew it had to be EDM even though I had never seen these types of images before. I wonder if he's getting a following if he's branding his images. He appears to do fairly high sales volume if his feedback indicates true sales. Note that these specific pieces do not appear to be slabbed.
One thing for sure: edynamicmarketing has made quite a name for itself.
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Lock him the hell up