Especially some of the coins in the old "rattle holders." I had one gold piece go from AU-58 to MS-63 after I cracked it out and resubmitted it.
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While it's true there are some nice 62's out there, I'm also cautious of the grade (along with 35, and mid-50s) as a copper collector. It's not uncommon to see color issues at this grade, and they can often be hidden well when buying on ebay or the like.
Acquisitions were made on the bourse, through a dealer website, and a major auction houses auction. The key is constantly looking and being patient. I paid a lot of tuition to learn those two rules.
Thanks, I've looked at your coins a few times. They're really nice... at any grade.
2016...that's actually some of the best news I've heard since I started. I'm getting some great advice around here so hopefully I can be patient. I've got the 'constantly looking' thing going on right now, that's for sure. Every evening.
Another great thread! One of my favorite quotes in numismatics was written by Mr. Bowers in the intro to his 2008 book Grading Coins by Photographs : "Today, such coins that used to be graded as About Uncirculated (AU) are now often graded as MS-60, MS-61, and MS-62" We can throw the MS-60 grade out the window as I have not seen a coin straight graded as an MS-60 in years. I know (?) they are out there.
@shorecoll said: "I used to buy quite a few 62's and now they are all in 64 and 65 holders, I'm just saying. I do agree buy the coin if you like it."
NUTS! you show me just one of these "gems" that went from a major TPGS MS-62 slab to a major TPGS MS-65 slab. The ONLy time this happens is due to a mechanical error or an old technically graded gem AU becoming a commercial MS-65.
@DIMEMAN said: "I disagree with this statement. There are a lot of nice 62's out there."
There is nothing here to disagree about! We can commonly find both in TPGS slabs. Some AU's graded MS-62 and some MS coins correctly graded as '62's. If you dispute this you are extremely uninformed.
@USMarine6 said: "The 62 grade is undesirable by most I've found. That leaves ample opportunity to cherry pick the nicer ones. Here is my best 62 example. I currently own 3 in this grade.
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Please don't take this the wrong way but I'll bet if you cocked that beauty at an angle and took another image, the majority of us would say it was lightly buffed, extremely hairlined, or it has a chemically altered surface to hide the rub.
@DIMEMAN said: "WOW, I have seen 67 Morgans that didn't look this good!!"
Yeah, that's why coins are not graded professionally by photos.
Not all 62's are created equally. Same can be said about all grades
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@USMarine6 said: "The 62 grade is undesirable by most I've found. That leaves ample opportunity to cherry pick the nicer ones. Here is my best 62 example. I currently own 3 in this grade.
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Please don't take this the wrong way but I'll bet if you cocked that beauty at an angle and took another image, the majority of us would say it was lightly buffed, extremely hairlined, or it has a chemically altered surface to hide the rub.
@DIMEMAN said: "WOW, I have seen 67 Morgans that didn't look this good!!"
Yeah, that's why coins are not graded professionally by photos.
I believe that is also a proof Morgan dollar and the grade of 62 for proof coinage typically yields far different results than the grade of 62 for business strike coinage.
As we both know, Proofs and MS coins are graded differently. The thread was about MS coins and my response was weighted in that direction. You are correct, the coin added to the thread looked to be a toned Proof. It does not matter. That's why I suggested an image taken at an angle as I guarantee it is either polished or buffed, "dip burned" and heavily hairlined! I was trying to be nice in my original assessment.
I agree with you and was actually attempting to quote what DIMEMAN had written since I expect that response was written with respect to an MS67 Morgan dollar. However, my attempt at quoting properly did not exactly match the reality of my post.
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Especially some of the coins in the old "rattle holders." I had one gold piece go from AU-58 to MS-63 after I cracked it out and resubmitted it.
Maybe the ones in the gold CAC holders don't really count, but these aren't so ugly:
Nice, BryceM!!
Dayum Bryce . . . those are nice.
Drunner
While it's true there are some nice 62's out there, I'm also cautious of the grade (along with 35, and mid-50s) as a copper collector. It's not uncommon to see color issues at this grade, and they can often be hidden well when buying on ebay or the like.
Thanks, I've looked at your coins a few times. They're really nice... at any grade.
2016...that's actually some of the best news I've heard since I started. I'm getting some great advice around here so hopefully I can be patient. I've got the 'constantly looking' thing going on right now, that's for sure. Every evening.
Not fond of 62 Lincolns, but I find nothing wrong with attractive 62 gold.
I've been more than happy with 61-62 bust halves. Not so with other series.
Lance.
hows this for an ms62 1916 buffalo nickel?
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Another great thread! One of my favorite quotes in numismatics was written by Mr. Bowers in the intro to his 2008 book Grading Coins by Photographs : "Today, such coins that used to be graded as About Uncirculated (AU) are now often graded as MS-60, MS-61, and MS-62" We can throw the MS-60 grade out the window as I have not seen a coin straight graded as an MS-60 in years. I know (?) they are out there.
@shorecoll said: "I used to buy quite a few 62's and now they are all in 64 and 65 holders, I'm just saying. I do agree buy the coin if you like it."
NUTS! you show me just one of these "gems" that went from a major TPGS MS-62 slab to a major TPGS MS-65 slab. The ONLy time this happens is due to a mechanical error or an old technically graded gem AU becoming a commercial MS-65.
@DIMEMAN said: "I disagree with this statement. There are a lot of nice 62's out there."
There is nothing here to disagree about! We can commonly find both in TPGS slabs. Some AU's graded MS-62 and some MS coins correctly graded as '62's. If you dispute this you are extremely uninformed.
@USMarine6 said: "The 62 grade is undesirable by most I've found. That leaves ample opportunity to cherry pick the nicer ones. Here is my best 62 example. I currently own 3 in this grade.
Please don't take this the wrong way but I'll bet if you cocked that beauty at an angle and took another image, the majority of us would say it was lightly buffed, extremely hairlined, or it has a chemically altered surface to hide the rub.
@DIMEMAN said: "WOW, I have seen 67 Morgans that didn't look this good!!"
Yeah, that's why coins are not graded professionally by photos.
Not all 62's are created equally. Same can be said about all grades
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I believe that is also a proof Morgan dollar and the grade of 62 for proof coinage typically yields far different results than the grade of 62 for business strike coinage.
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As we both know, Proofs and MS coins are graded differently. The thread was about MS coins and my response was weighted in that direction. You are correct, the coin added to the thread looked to be a toned Proof. It does not matter. That's why I suggested an image taken at an angle as I guarantee it is either polished or buffed, "dip burned" and heavily hairlined! I was trying to be nice in my original assessment.
I agree with you and was actually attempting to quote what DIMEMAN had written since I expect that response was written with respect to an MS67 Morgan dollar. However, my attempt at quoting properly did not exactly match the reality of my post.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson