CAC agrees with PCGS grading

When evaluating my Indian cent collection
I submitted 80 Indian cents and 78 of them stickered

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 5,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sweet!

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 27,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2017 3:12PM

    I would interpret that to mean CAC agrees with Stewart's selection of PCGS coins. Amazing results too, especially in such a challenging area where original color is so critical, and often played with....and 2 sets of expert eyes had to agree.

    One could look at all the MS64 and higher RD's on GC shows that 88/360 stickered....a 24% rate (for MS66 RD and higher the rate is 23%). Would be interesting to see if there's a top notch RD collection over at NGC and what their sticker rate is.

    So what 2 coins didn't sticker and do you disagree with the reasoning?

    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 296 ✭✭✭

    You got to bad ones aye. LOL. I would love to see that collection!

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 17,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How many golds? And wouldn't those be disagreeing with Pcgs grading?

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 27,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2017 2:56PM

    @tradedollarnut said:
    How many golds? And wouldn't those be disagreeing with Pcgs grading?

    Technically yes....if grading standards have remained the same since the coin in question was slabbed. A topic for debate with rattlers and ogh's.

    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭✭

    Anecdotal. Coincidence is not correlation.
    All that I can surmise is that:
    1) You like (all) your (copper) coins in PCGS holder.
    2) You agree, albeit sometimes begrudgingly, with the grades on the holders.
    3) John Albanese thinks you have exquisite taste.

    @tradedollarnut is already starting to undermine your thesis. Obvious jealousy and schadenfreude brought on by the brutal tongue-lashing he experienced from his erstwhile occasional business partner because he bought something that would not sticker. ;)

    "What matters most is how well you walk through the fire" - Charles Bukowski
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 17,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Heh heh heh

    I'm pretty sure he got his fair share of goldies

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 17,446 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2017 7:59PM

    No gold stickers? Ouch

    Did JA say why the 1869 no sticker?

  • 3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2017 8:07PM

    All these World Class sets @ CAC are screwing up my widget-sticker ratio...hurry up already so they can get back to Approving my common date 64's...I'm tired of paying more in shipping fees than sticker fees on my subs ;)

    Erik
  • SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭

    It's the beginning of the end when one of the best eyes for copper felt compelled to get the blessing of someone who is not even in the top ten.

  • goldengolden Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭✭

    Very well done!

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭✭

    @SoCalBigMark said:
    It's the beginning of the end when one of the best eyes for copper felt compelled to get the blessing of someone who is not even in the top ten.

    When the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse get a Twitter account, I'm selling o:)

    Small size copper.

    Perhaps the coins appreciate the appreciation. :D My guess is that JA got a bigger thrill than Stewart, and the greater part of Stewart's pleasure was the thrill JA got from looking. (Where's the party balloon emoji?)

    I still remember the night Tony bought the '72. B)

    "What matters most is how well you walk through the fire" - Charles Bukowski
  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2017 11:46PM

    I thought there were many who said that CAC was unreliable when evaluating copper? ;) @DMWJR

    "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
  • ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭

    @Catbert said:
    I thought there were many who said that CAC was unreliable when evaluating copper? ;) @DMWJR

    Maybe this is the opening act of a ruse to get Stewart to provide that function... for CAC

  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭

    Coloneljessup- Tony bought the 1877 ( Golden Princess) for me not a 72

    For those of you who do not know Coloneojessup - He is a therapist for hire

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2017 12:52PM

    Mistyping, Of course it was the 1877. Coin for the ages, and everyone in the room knew it.

    "What matters most is how well you walk through the fire" - Charles Bukowski
  • rickoricko Posts: 51,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is an outstanding score -97.5%..... Cheers, RickO

  • BarberFanaticBarberFanatic Posts: 530 ✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2017 3:21PM

    Just curious... we're all of the coins sent to CAC in one large submission, or were they submitted over the course of several months in multiple smaller lots? Because that could affect the CAC rate.

    Not saying that DID affect anything; merely saying that it COULD.

    My current collecting focus: Affordable classic coins with exceptional eye appeal.
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 6,863 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll bet that's a pretty set to look at!

  • thebigengthebigeng Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭✭

    I think it also means you have a great grading eye for Indian cents.

    “Remember that sometimes not getting what you want is a wonderful stroke of luck.” ~ Dalai Lama
  • FadeToBlackFadeToBlack Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭✭

    @3keepSECRETif2rDEAD said:
    All these World Class sets @ CAC are screwing up my widget-sticker ratio...hurry up already so they can get back to Approving my common date 64's...I'm tired of paying more in shipping fees than sticker fees on my subs ;)

    LOL AMEN!!

  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭

    Stellar results!! Congratulations. I am curious as well if they were all sent in together or separate submissions?

    I was astounded to get 9 out of 10, but 78 out of 80? And Indian's to boot? Phenomenal!! You certainly have the eye. :)

  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭

    Sent in all at once

  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭

    I'm certain the purchase prices were hefty anyway but this result should ensure that the collection be insured for roughly 20% more than previously.

    You obviously have a great eye and John Albanese felt compelled to reward that.

    Congrats.

    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭

    In this case, credit goes to the collector. He knows what he is doing and they just agreed.

    WS

    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • AnalystAnalyst Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭

    WaterSport: In this case, credit goes to the collector. He knows what he is doing and they just agreed.

    Agreed, CAC was agreeing with Stewart's selections, as Roadrunner said above. Out of curiosity, were many of the coins purchased more than 15 years ago?

    Were many in holders that are more than 15 years old?

    Were any upgraded at PCGS while owned by Stewart?

    How will Coin Collectors Interpret Certified Coin Grades in the Future?

    "In order to understand the scarce coins that you own or see, you must learn about coins that you cannot afford." -Me
  • SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭

    Now off to Rick Snow!

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Analyst said:
    WaterSport: In this case, credit goes to the collector. He knows what he is doing and they just agreed.

    Agreed, CAC was agreeing with Stewart's selections, as Roadrunner said above. Out of curiosity, were many of the coins purchased more than 15 years ago?

    Were many in holders that are more than 15 years old?

    Were any upgraded at PCGS while owned by Stewart?

    How will Coin Collectors Interpret Certified Coin Grades in the Future?

    This!

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 14,536 ✭✭✭✭

    Who's the copper weeny?? You are the boss!!!

  • AnalystAnalyst Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭

    GoldBully directed to Stewart, with a picture of a brochure: Who's the copper weeny?? You are the boss!!!

    In regard to the picture of a brochure posted by GoldBully, Stewart's Lincoln Cents were on display at the 2008 ANA Convention in Baltimore, courtesy of PCGS. IIRC, many of them were in holders from the 1990s. This is one reason why I asked above if many of Stewart's Indian Cents now remain in holders that are more than 15 years old.

    Next to his Lincoln cents, a small number of additional coins from his collection were on display. Stewart's prize 1796 half cent has a considerable amount of original mint red color. I was also overwhelmed by the 1807/6 large cent that Stewart owned at the time

    Is the Naftzger-Blay 1807/6 the only Gem Quality & Full Red ‘Early Date’ Large Cent?

    The Blay 1796 'With Pole' could be the 2nd Most Valuable Half Cent

    "In order to understand the scarce coins that you own or see, you must learn about coins that you cannot afford." -Me
  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭

    congrats on an amazing %'age

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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