Discussion 1964 SMS Coins

Just to get this rolling, I was looking at the total population reports and one can see there are different totals for each denomination. I'm assuming these coins were available in proof flat packs and all the coins in the pack would be SMS which baffles me on the Pop report. Is it possible to have only one or a few in a pack or were all 5 coins in the pack have to be SP to be attributed as SMS

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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 2,667 ✭✭✭

    They were not in flat packs, they were struck as test pieces. They were not officially offered to the public as sets.

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  • newcollectnewcollect Posts: 97 ✭✭

    Thanks so much, !!

  • robecrobec Posts: 4,347 ✭✭✭✭

    I believe they were all found in the possession of the former director of the mint's estate after her death.

  • MACGE1MACGE1 Posts: 192 ✭✭

    If I'm not mistaken they were all auctioned off from 1991 to 1995 through StacksBowers. They weren't officially being sold as SMS coins as none were thought to have been made up until then. Most of the descriptions simply said "unusual" or something of the like. Due to them not being recognized as SMS coins some non SMS coins slipped in to the auctions as well which were just worn down proofs. This is why no one can ever be sure how many there actually are.

  • newcollectnewcollect Posts: 97 ✭✭

    thanks

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 17,360 ✭✭✭

    Other than owning a (true to life) MS67 1970-D I've always wanted a Kennedy 1964 SMS. Was it ever determined if the lone PCGS MS68 1964 half was instead an SMS?

  • onlyroosiesonlyroosies Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    Other than owning a (true to life) MS67 1970-D I've always wanted a Kennedy 1964 SMS. Was it ever determined if the lone PCGS MS68 1964 half was instead an SMS?

    I've seen that coin in hand and I'm pretty sure it's by no means SMS.

  • AllCoinsRuleAllCoinsRule Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    Other than owning a (true to life) MS67 1970-D I've always wanted a Kennedy 1964 SMS. Was it ever determined if the lone PCGS MS68 1964 half was instead an SMS?

    Do you have an ms67 70-d? I have one now but am always on the lookout for a better one.

    Do you mean the ms68 64-d or 66-p? The 64-d is a business strike. Wondercoin can tell you more about its rich history. It's not a coin I would want to own. I would not trust that the ms68 66-p is a business strike. I had an ms67 65-p sent to me from the same person I purchased the 70-d from and I did not trust it was a business strike and sent that one back.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 17,360 ✭✭✭

    Good info! Thanks for sharing. I think the MS68 1964 used to be in an NGC MS69 years (decades?) ago.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 17,360 ✭✭✭

    Oh! Please show us your MS67 1970-D! Pretty please!

  • MACGE1MACGE1 Posts: 192 ✭✭

    @onlyroosies said:

    @braddick said:
    Other than owning a (true to life) MS67 1970-D I've always wanted a Kennedy 1964 SMS. Was it ever determined if the lone PCGS MS68 1964 half was instead an SMS?

    I've seen that coin in hand and I'm pretty sure it's by no means SMS.

    I'm slightly confused. Was there ever a question that the lone 64D ms68 was a SMS? All of the other known 64 SMS Kennedy's don't have a D mintmark.

  • MACGE1MACGE1 Posts: 192 ✭✭

    @braddick said:
    Good info! Thanks for sharing. I think the MS68 1964 used to be in an NGC MS69 years (decades?) ago.

    Are you referring the monster toned 64D pcgs ms68? I think that the only 69 ever certified by NGC was a 64 P SMS which wound up in a pcgs holder.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 17,360 ✭✭✭
    edited July 19, 2017 11:58PM

    Yes. The NGC MS69 turned up in a PCGS MS68 SMS holder. That's the coin I am referring too. And, it was a P mint (not a D mint).

  • onlyroosiesonlyroosies Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭

    My bad. I was talking about the D mint

  • cointimecointime Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭

    Is this the coin you're talking about :)

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