The first one, I would say could be MS62RB....Could use more focus, slightly blurred. The second... AU50..maybe 53... focus an issue there also. Cheers, RickO
@david3142 said:
VF?? The first could be a 64RB and the second looks like an AU50 (not worth submitting).
1) agreed
2) lock 40, but reddish quasi-haze confuses me.
Surely someone will find several paragraphs on the standards for 1916-P and 1916-S adjusted for strike quality for each mint Explicatio ad absurdum except on much higher quality examples
Neither worth submitting
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I see no financial gain for you in sending those coins in for certification. However, I see financial gain for PCGS or NGC if you send them there. Save your money.
If you are sending others in under economy, why not send these along for the ride? Your images are terrible but look to at least pay for the holder cost, with a chance for upside surprise.
The images definitely make it more challenging to grade.
1- I can't tell if it's rub on Lincolns cheek or not... 58, maybe a shot at 62 or 63
2- Is that a scratch from the "U" in TRUST to Lincoln's nose? If not, probably a lock on XF, but I can't tell how separated the wheat lines are from the image presented... could go AU.
Seriously though, if garden variety Lincolns don't have a shot at mid to higher end MS, they really aren't worth submitting. The only Lincoln cents I've ever submitted were two key dates (14-D and 09-S VDB) and it was mainly for authenticity.
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If i had a million dollars right now I think I would give half of it to investing in tangible assets like coins. And again to have all my coins hollered that's atleast AU would be nice. Cull coins and badly damaged I would not waist the money. But I like this as a hobby and pass time. Some day if I have kids I will teach them the gift of appreciating value and history.
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Next time, please make sure the photos are in focus.
If you want to keep your lesser valued coins in slab-type holders so they fit with the slabbed ones, consider:
There are two kinds of Lighthouse holders - the everslab and quickslab (https://www.lighthouse.us). The quickslab can be reopened, the everslab are basically one time use.
CoinWorld sells a reopenable holder too.
There are also sellers on eBay that sell PCGS-style or NGC-style holders that can be opened and closed as needed.
All of these will protect the coins without the expense of slabbing.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Mel, the decision to spend money on grading and associated fees is a personal one. Many of us look at it from a financial standpoint. Why spend more for slabbing than the coin is worth?
OTOH, collectors may choose to grade without respect to finances...because there are emotional connections to the coins, let's say. Nothing wrong with that.
As for their future value many years from now I would say it is reasonable to expect that cents of the same date & mintmark in similar condition won't skyrocket in value. Simply put, too many have survived today and the better ones won't disappear in great numbers tomorrow. Neither coin will become rare and neither coin is a conditional rarity.
Recent auction records for PCGS and NGC graded 1916's in 63/64 RB range from $30 - $80. If you are really attached to these dates/mm's why not buy ones already slabbed for less than the cost of grading? You'll probably find nicer examples to choose from.
But again, they're your coins and it's your money. What is most important is to enjoy the hobby the way you want. Have fun with it!
Lance.
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They both look AU to me.
Your camera appears to be focusing on the background. I'd guess mid-AU and VF
VF?? The first could be a 64RB and the second looks like an AU50 (not worth submitting).
The first one, I would say could be MS62RB....Could use more focus, slightly blurred. The second... AU50..maybe 53... focus an issue there also. Cheers, RickO
1) agreed
2) lock 40, but reddish quasi-haze confuses me.
Surely someone will find several paragraphs on the standards for 1916-P and 1916-S adjusted for strike quality for each mint
Explicatio ad absurdum except on much higher quality examples
Neither worth submitting
63/64 Red
XF-40
64RB
AU50
The first appears MS, while the second appears AU. Based on these images that's about the best I can do.
I see no financial gain for you in sending those coins in for certification. However, I see financial gain for PCGS or NGC if you send them there. Save your money.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Do not submit.
waste of money
BHNC #203
They are not worth the fees to submit them. I do like both coins, however.
Pete
If you are sending others in under economy, why not send these along for the ride? Your images are terrible but look to at least pay for the holder cost, with a chance for upside surprise.
64rb
53
The images definitely make it more challenging to grade.
1- I can't tell if it's rub on Lincolns cheek or not... 58, maybe a shot at 62 or 63
2- Is that a scratch from the "U" in TRUST to Lincoln's nose? If not, probably a lock on XF, but I can't tell how separated the wheat lines are from the image presented... could go AU.
Seriously though, if garden variety Lincolns don't have a shot at mid to higher end MS, they really aren't worth submitting. The only Lincoln cents I've ever submitted were two key dates (14-D and 09-S VDB) and it was mainly for authenticity.
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I don't think it's smart to pay grading and S/I fees for $50 coins, which is what an AU '16-S and an MS 63RB '16 would bring (my stabs).
Lance.
Not sure why you want to submit. Sell? Authenticate? Grade-for-curiosity?
Maybe a PCGS-size self-slab is all you need.
Or store 'em in Air-tites... that's what I do with cents I like but not worth the cost of submission.
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Thank you all for your feedback. This is the reason I ask questions like this because I need the insight of the wise and knowledgeable. I want all my coins no matter the surface condition to be certifed. This is for years to come and possible when these coins no longer exist I will have one in a holder. Today's fees and costs and market change. 2 years or better ago gold was spot $2200 an ounce or more. Bitcoin last year was $435 per coin now it supercedes the price of goldirection. All coins at some point or investments. But for me I love to look at them and cherish them as a collector. Thankw you all for your rich information. I needed this.
May I ask how old you are?
If you are asking this due to my spelling. It's spell check errors. But I am 33 and may I ask how old are you?
If i had a million dollars right now I think I would give half of it to investing in tangible assets like coins. And again to have all my coins hollered that's atleast AU would be nice. Cull coins and badly damaged I would not waist the money. But I like this as a hobby and pass time. Some day if I have kids I will teach them the gift of appreciating value and history.
Hi Mel,
Gold never got to 2200.00. The best it did was 1858.00, and that was an intra-day. It never closed above 1850.00.
MS 63 RB
AU 55 if the mark on the obverse doesn't make it fail to be graded.
Good luck!
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
I think we are fortunate to have honest opinions of true numismatists and "graders" here. With that said, heed the words of ColonelJessup.
Your at the right place to get answers. Good for you to take up this hobby. I'm sure you'll find many things to enjoy with coins.
Have fun
woof woof woof (sorry, can't resist)
Next time, please make sure the photos are in focus.
If you want to keep your lesser valued coins in slab-type holders so they fit with the slabbed ones, consider:
There are two kinds of Lighthouse holders - the everslab and quickslab (https://www.lighthouse.us). The quickslab can be reopened, the everslab are basically one time use.
CoinWorld sells a reopenable holder too.
There are also sellers on eBay that sell PCGS-style or NGC-style holders that can be opened and closed as needed.
All of these will protect the coins without the expense of slabbing.
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Mel, the decision to spend money on grading and associated fees is a personal one. Many of us look at it from a financial standpoint. Why spend more for slabbing than the coin is worth?
OTOH, collectors may choose to grade without respect to finances...because there are emotional connections to the coins, let's say. Nothing wrong with that.
As for their future value many years from now I would say it is reasonable to expect that cents of the same date & mintmark in similar condition won't skyrocket in value. Simply put, too many have survived today and the better ones won't disappear in great numbers tomorrow. Neither coin will become rare and neither coin is a conditional rarity.
Recent auction records for PCGS and NGC graded 1916's in 63/64 RB range from $30 - $80. If you are really attached to these dates/mm's why not buy ones already slabbed for less than the cost of grading? You'll probably find nicer examples to choose from.
But again, they're your coins and it's your money. What is most important is to enjoy the hobby the way you want. Have fun with it!
Lance.
MS 63 R/B on coin 1
AU 50 on coin 2
No, not due to your spelling. I'm 76.But how many years it would take you to
recoup your grading fees.Put them in airtight and enjoy them as they are.