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A Flawless Roosy?

joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

Hi guy's, I was at Starbucks this morning and glanced into the Tip Jar. Low and behold this Dime just jumped out at me! Had to have it. So I took it out and replaced it with a $1 Bill. For .90 Cents not too bad, Huh? It's the 2017d. Try and find any old kind of hit on the obverse as well as the reverse. Betcha can't!




It even has a slight Cameo effect.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks nice; I haven't run across any 17-D dimes yet.
    NGC would PL it if mirrors are deep enough.

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    abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely send to PCGS! I don't know if they will award the PL grade but I do know MS69's and MS70's could go for thousands to serious collectors of the finest coins (in grade and appearance). Registry Roosevelts are popular and the manhunt for these rarities never cease. Please keep us informed as to your positive grading results.

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    TurboSnailTurboSnail Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    Hi guy's, I was at Starbucks this morning and glanced into the Tip Jar. Low and behold this Dime just jumped out at me! Had to have it. So I took it out and replaced it with a $1 Bill. For .90 Cents not too bad, Huh? It's the 2017d. Try and find any old kind of hit on the obverse as well as the reverse. Betcha can't!

    How would it consider flawless in there are dents on the cheek and lower jaw?

    Out of 10+ bank boxes of brand new uncirculated dimes I cracked open this years from my liquor store, I have never seem a true ms 68-70. Most of the dimes this year have partially worn out die and some were close to matt finish. But there had been a few dimes same condition if not better than the picture shown per roll.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:
    Definitely send to PCGS! I don't know if they will award the PL grade but I do know MS69's and MS70's could go for thousands to serious collectors of the finest coins (in grade and appearance). Registry Roosevelts are popular and the manhunt for these rarities never cease. Please keep us informed as to your positive grading results.

    PCGS will not assign PL or DMPL to Roosevelt Dimes.
    NGC will.

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In hand, I'd only need 10 seconds to find multiple hits/grazes/scuffs on such a coin plucked from circulation. Have yet to find a flawless US Coin residing in a MS69/70 TPG slab. I certainly don't expect to find one in change.

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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 31, 2017 2:47PM

    The first place I look when grading a coin is the rims.
    Look at the rims.

    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,771 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am not too observant and even I can see the cut on the jaw.

    (As for the rims - they look kind of rough).

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    hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Look at the rims ;)

    Nice coin but I don't think it is flawless. Send it in and prove the naysayers wrong.

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    abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Will PCGS give a coin a grade jump if the PL surfaces are flawless in nature?

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rims are pretty bad.......would be lucky to 65.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK, thanks guys for all the op.'s :):):)

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinsAndMoreCoins said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Rims are pretty bad.......would be lucky to 65.

    Do you see any dramatic differences between the 2017 and 2016-earlier dimes?

    I don't really look at clad dimes in circulation.

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    abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are there any dime experts than can join in this discussion?

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think they just did? ;)

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

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    StoogeStooge Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:
    Are there any dime experts than can join in this discussion?

    Yes

    IMHO, it is a blazing dime for a coin jar find.
    I would toss it aside if I was breaking a 2500 green dime box full of these, as I have seen better. Not worth sending in unless you think its an 8FB.

    I have a 2015-D MS68FB and it is miraculously flawless in every way and I will be sending in for a reconsideration and T.V.
    I haven't seen the 2016's or 2017's to give an opinion.

    Roosies in 8FB are dirt cheap. I paid $69 for mine.


    Later, Paul.
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    abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Isn't $69.00 for a dime minted two years ago kind of considered expensive?

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:
    Will PCGS give a coin a grade jump if the PL surfaces are flawless in nature?

    Here again the consistency of inconsistency.
    Sometimes they apparently do, sometimes they don't.
    They like the PL surfaces on cents and nickels, but I haven't seen them giving a bump to the dimes.

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    StoogeStooge Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:
    Isn't $69.00 for a dime minted two years ago kind of considered expensive?

    I don't think so. Considering that some modern condition census rarities command insane prices into the thousands, I think $69 is a deal.


    Later, Paul.
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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stooge said:

    IMHO, it is a blazing dime for a coin jar find.
    I would toss it aside if I was breaking a 2500 green dime box full of these, as I have seen better. Not worth sending in unless you think its an 8FB.

    If PCGS grades a dime you picked out of change from Starbucks as MS65 much less MS68, it is time to give up on third party grading altogether.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sometimes a coin just jumps out of the pack.... especially at this time when stores are cracking new coin rolls. I picked a 2017P cent out of the 'take a cent, leave a cent' box... it is very impressive. It was so nice it could have come from a mint set... it did not, I am sure, but it is that nice. Cheers, RickO

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    david3142david3142 Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Stooge said:

    IMHO, it is a blazing dime for a coin jar find.
    I would toss it aside if I was breaking a 2500 green dime box full of these, as I have seen better. Not worth sending in unless you think its an 8FB.

    If PCGS grades a dime you picked out of change from Starbucks as MS65 much less MS68, it is time to give up on third party grading altogether.

    I have no idea why you would say this. There are many coins that could be pulled out of circulation today that would easily grade 65. 68 is going to be harder although I'm sure it is possible.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @david3142 said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Stooge said:

    IMHO, it is a blazing dime for a coin jar find.
    I would toss it aside if I was breaking a 2500 green dime box full of these, as I have seen better. Not worth sending in unless you think its an 8FB.

    If PCGS grades a dime you picked out of change from Starbucks as MS65 much less MS68, it is time to give up on third party grading altogether.

    I have no idea why you would say this. There are many coins that could be pulled out of circulation today that would easily grade 65. 68 is going to be harder although I'm sure it is possible.

    It was in a tip jar, meaning that is has circulated. It isn't like it was freshly cracked out of an original bank roll in a cashier's drawer. Pocket change should never be graded as uncirculated.

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    KellenCoinKellenCoin Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭✭

    Nice strike!

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    david3142david3142 Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty sure I'm not going to change your mind since your position is more principle than practical. I'm assuming you don't actually believe that handling a coin even once imparts noticeable wear.

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    hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @david3142 said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Stooge said:

    IMHO, it is a blazing dime for a coin jar find.
    I would toss it aside if I was breaking a 2500 green dime box full of these, as I have seen better. Not worth sending in unless you think its an 8FB.

    If PCGS grades a dime you picked out of change from Starbucks as MS65 much less MS68, it is time to give up on third party grading altogether.

    I have no idea why you would say this. There are many coins that could be pulled out of circulation today that would easily grade 65. 68 is going to be harder although I'm sure it is possible.

    It was in a tip jar, meaning that is has circulated. It isn't like it was freshly cracked out of an original bank roll in a cashier's drawer. Pocket change should never be graded as uncirculated.

    You mean to tell me all those uncirculated coins from the 1800's never circulated ;)

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    JBKJBK Posts: 14,771 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was in a tip jar, meaning that is has circulated. It isn't like it was freshly cracked out of an original bank roll in a cashier's drawer. Pocket change should never be graded as uncirculated.

    I must respectfully disagree. I was hung up on this concept many years ago, but over time I understood that "uncirculated" is a statement of condition or grade, not a status. Furthermore, if it was in a tip jar at a donut place then almost certainly it was freshly cracked out of a roll - by the cashier who gave it to the customer who then tossed it into the jar.

    I do agree, though that this is an unlikely place to look for MS70 coins.

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    basetsbbasetsb Posts: 508 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1, 2017 5:06PM

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @david3142 said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @Stooge said:

    IMHO, it is a blazing dime for a coin jar find.
    I would toss it aside if I was breaking a 2500 green dime box full of these, as I have seen better. Not worth sending in unless you think its an 8FB.

    If PCGS grades a dime you picked out of change from Starbucks as MS65 much less MS68, it is time to give up on third party grading altogether.

    I have no idea why you would say this. There are many coins that could be pulled out of circulation today that would easily grade 65. 68 is going to be harder although I'm sure it is possible.

    It was in a tip jar, meaning that is has circulated. It isn't like it was freshly cracked out of an original bank roll in a cashier's drawer. Pocket change should never be graded as uncirculated.

    Actually, thats likely exactly what happened. It's common for cashiers to open a new roll of coins in the mornings. It was likely out of a fresh roll and then put in the tip jar after one transaction.

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    StoogeStooge Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @basetsb said:
    Actually, that's likely exactly what happened. It's common for cashiers to open a new roll of coins in the mornings. It was likely out of a fresh roll and then put in the tip jar after one transaction.

    The cashier broke this roll against the counter like some I've seen, dumped the roll into her drawer, reached in the section where the dimes are kept with her oily fingers after hundreds of transactions, handed it to someone else and they handled it with their oily fingers and dumped in the take one-leave one jar where the O.P. grabs it and says..."Look what I found"

    Sorry but I'm not seeing an 8FB anytime soon.

    Back in the day, I broke several 2,500 count green dime bank boxes and came across 1 single MS68FB dime. Believe me I tried and its damn near impossible.

    Good luck with your dime, believe me I would love to see it go 8FB, but it's not gonna happen.


    Later, Paul.

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