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What is this on my Mercury dime?

TunisTunis Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭

Have decided to start a small collection of Mercury dimes. Can someone tell me what this mark is on the back of my dime? Above the E Pluribus Unum.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From that image I can't really tell, but it might be from a clashed die.

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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,305 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Clashed die if you mean that line

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    COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe a dried residue -- possibly from the minting process.

    Don't try to clean it! You might do more harm than good.

    FWIW, I believe it's pretty common on uncirculated silver Ikes:

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with the above members, looks like clashed dies

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    TunisTunis Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for all of the quick replies. Does this damage take away from the grade? Or is there added value? Or of course, none of the above.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it is from a clashed die then it is not typically considered damage on the coin and rarely would affect the grade. In fact, some prominent or interesting clashed die examples sell for a premium, but this in no way is universal.

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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,305 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Again following what TomB says above.....
    I agree with him. Not damage. Don't see it affecting the grade.
    Some die clashes are really cool and increase the value, but some/many are just "hmm....kinda cool" and really don't increase the value for 99.9999% of the potential buyers. I would see the above as net neutral to me. I wouldn't pay more and I wouldn't deduct anything.

    Another die clash, that some pay more for but I don't, are the "Bugs Bunny" Franklin half dollars. They get designated and so some folks will pay more.

    Sometimes, the die clashes are even more prominent than yours...see the whole outline instead of just some.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a die clash. It wasn't totally removed, so part of the opposite side shows up. You can also see the back of Liberty's head in the field on the right below the leaves.

    Here's an overlay.

    Pete

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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some of the clashed dies on Mercs can be pretty dramatic, with very strong clashing of the leaves showing in front of Liberty's face.

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    TunisTunis Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks to all, especially to Pete. I like that overlay to show how the dies would line up.

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    ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree w/ the others. @Tunis Would that coin happen to be a 1944? I see a lot of clashes in that exact spot on 44-P's.

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    TunisTunis Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭

    It actually is a 1943-P. MS-64FB

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    Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's one you can see leaves in front of her face and some axe under her chin, as well as the similar marks of yours on the reverse.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good catch... I agree with the die clash diagnosis... no added value, but interesting. Cheers, RickO

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    gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2017 7:43AM

    MS 67 FB

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    TunisTunis Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭

    Wow!!! That is an amazing example. Thanks for sharing.

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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's an amazing example, grip. A coin with clashing that strong would certainly bring some kind of premium and maybe a substantial one at that.

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    CyndieChildressCyndieChildress Posts: 429 ✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    It is a die clash. It wasn't totally removed, so part of the opposite side shows up. You can also see the back of Liberty's head in the field on the right below the leaves.

    Here's an overlay.

    Pete

    Very cool.!.!

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    cecropiamothcecropiamoth Posts: 959 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grip - that is quite a dramatic one!

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