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1913 buffalo nickel reverse die variety, 3 & 1/2 legs, wondering where they are?

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

In the middle of 2014 a second 3 and one half legged 1913 buffalo nickel was discovered. I sent this to SEGS because they do an outstanding job with buffalo nickel die varieties. I had another post on this coin two years ago and I was wondering if anyone has found one or may have found one since the post. Here are the pictures. I can only account for 3 so far -- 2 besides the
coin shown here.
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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Regardless of what Larry says I believe it to be a filled die, not an abraded die. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to any of the other 3 1/2 legged varieties known. I don't know who attributes these for CONECA but if you want a definitive answer I'd send it there for examination.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Someone must have caught it and pulled the die. It's the only explanation for the lack of specimens.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    Regardless of what Larry says I believe it to be a filled die, not an abraded die. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to any of the other 3 1/2 legged varieties known. I don't know who attributes these for CONECA but if you want a definitive answer I'd send it there for examination.

    THIS!! Agree 100%

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    (sob!) my thread has been ruined

    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry, Tom.

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one is quite deceptive but it, too is a filled die.


  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So the difference is the lack of abraiding? Look smooth in and around the area.

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's just the general appearance. It doesn't fit the general appearance of abraded die. Compare it to the other confirmed
    3 1/2 legged stuff.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure does not look like any of the 3 1/2 leg Buffs I have seen.... either in hand, pictures or books. Cheers, RickO

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can post pics of the others over the weekend if anyone is interested.

  • OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    I can post pics of the others over the weekend if anyone is interested.

    I'd have been thrilled to find that 1916 no matter what caused it. I'd definitely like to see whatever else you have.

    Proud recipient of the coveted "You Suck Award" (9/3/10).
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's the 1916-D 3HL (3 1/2 legged.) This one was discovered by Buffnixx over a decade ago.


  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1913 Var 1 3HL. I'll abbreviate these from this point forward.


  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A comment on the 1913 above-this variety shows the heaviest clashing of any Buff I've seen. It's quite rare-the dies were probably badly damaged and failed shortly after the clashing, which may explain the rarity of the coin.

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's the 1917-D 3HL. This is probably the least rare of this variety.


  • OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Ron. Best picture of a 1913 3HL I've seen yet.

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1926-D 3HL.


  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1927-D.


  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1936-D. This one is in the "Redbook."


  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I own only the 1916-D and the 1927-D. I used to own the 1913 Var 1 but I sold it several years ago. I have lower grade examples of all of them. The pics are from my book.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    interesting post. i learned something.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1913 Var 1 3HL is amazing! Almost the whole field under the Buff has been filled. I agree that someone had to have noticed and pulled the die - caught it early in the run.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That or the die failed early on. There is a 1913 Var 1 that is the common obverse to the 3HL but the Buff shows all four legs as shown below. Note the die rotation. The lack of detail on and behind the neck is caused as much by the die clash as the die polishing that followed. The clashing from the bison's hump and back can be seen clearly.

  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I cropped a couple of closeups from Tom's macro image above. Here they are-


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    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,055 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Super high resolution images. Interesting discussion. I have a 1916 Merc. dime weak d, so weak it is almost invisible, maybe Larry will attribute it, lol.

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