Tell me what you think is going on with this medal, double/triple strike??
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I received an unsolicited PM from a new member that I had previously not seen posting. He directed me to a SC$ that he has listed at the BST as well as eBay. I asked him both in the thread and via PM if he could explain what I see as clear evidence of a multiple strike on both sides, with no answer. I concluded that since he contacted me as a potential buyer that he would be eager to answer a question unless there is a reason not to........................so I will ask the forum for help.
here is the BST thread --- [https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/981091/1853-new-york-crystal-palace-so-called-dollar-hk-5-r-8-in-copper-gem-unc#latest]
here is the eBay auction --- ebay.ca/itm/-/302318094846?
You should be able to see the multiple strike remnants in these pictures but for a closer look go to the eBay auction where the pictures are much larger. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Al H.
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I saw the earlier thread and noticed right away what appears to be a slightly shifted in-collar double strike.
One can debate whether the double strike adds or detracts from what is a pretty rare SCD....
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This is relatively common on large medals, which usually required many strikes to completely fill the dies.
I have plenty of medals larger that 45mm and none of them display anything remotely close to this.....................but that isn't the point, really. I just wanted to be sure of what I was seeing. is it strike doubling/multiple strikes or something else??? as the seller rightly states in the description, these aren't seen very often in any metal, but I have seen enough examples and never have seen one that exhibited multiple strikes.
It looks like an in collar shifted double strike to me, as already stated.
Looks like a significant double strike.
I would value it at more than similar non-error in that condition but less than a pristine MS example, but that's just me.
Rotated double strike. I have a Carr 64d Morgan that is very similar.
From my untrained eyes, judging by the baseline right above "1853", it was a double strike with a rotation counter clockwise. But what is that shiny spot right above the feet? Did someone clean it just recently?
Looks like a rotated double strike to me. What makes you think it might be a triple?
What makes you think it might be a triple?
if you look at the head on the obverse, there are two very clear srtikes and a shadow of a third strike(probably the first) right behind Liberty's head. on the reverse to the viewers right side of the Palace, the base shows three strikes.
Nice example of rotated double strike in collar. Perhaps COULD be triple strike, but probably only verifiable in hand. Value? I can argue either way....
Are we seeing the same medal?
Those surfaces are far from pristine and quite unattractive. They're even bordering on environmental damage in my opinion. I would net lower than MS.
I can see the double strike/rotation.... interesting coin.... What I do not understand (and likely there is a reasonable explanation) is why the double strike is not evidenced in ALL the features (i.e. lettering etc.)....Cheers, RickO
It depends on what portion of the die the design comes into contact with. If it comes into contact with the fields of the die, it is likely to be flattened or completely erased. If it comes into contact with a recess of the die, it is less likely to erase details and more likely to leave first-strike details.
Depending on the convexity of the die, central details might also be more likely to be erased due to higher striking pressure.
Looking at the head, you have the back of the head from the first strike flattened out by the field of the die behind the head of the second strike. Look at the amount of the rotation between the two strikes.
Now look at the face. You have the face from the second strike to the left, and to the right of that, with basically the same amount of rotation as the two backs of the head, you have the face from the first strike. It was not flattened down by the field of the die because it fell under the hole in the die that formed the head. Two strikes, not three.
Can't see the lower right base of the palace well enough to tell what is going on there.
looks like a double first light then hard strick
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Clearly at least a double strike. I'm with CaptHenway and I think it's just a double strike and not a triple strike. As others have said, multiple strikes are common-ish on medals of this period. I don't think there's any particular difference between a definitely double strike and a triple strike where you have to argue about the third strike.
FWIW, this piece was sold last week for about $600. I object in principle to someone trying to flip a $600 purchase for $4,000. Another example of HK-5 sold in a Presidential auction a few years ago for about $1,500.
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