1970-D Washington quarter, Type-H (Type-B)

dcarr

I was recently looking through a large collection of "junk" and came across this 1970-D Washington Quarter. It appears to be the rare "Type-H" proof hub reverse (sometimes called a "Type-B" but that is not really correct).

Anyway, sometimes it pays to look through junk carefully. I am curious about what the typical grades of these are ? I looked around at prior discussions about them and it appears that the few that have been found are generally in circulated condition. This one appears to grade MS63 or so. It has a proof-like appearance which has not been captured well in the photos. I also note that while it appears to be an early die state (as expected), the reverse die shows clashing near both ends of the cluster of arrows. There is also a strange deviation on the outline of the front of Washington's neck (directly to the right of the E in "WE").

Kudbegud

Boy Dan, you have the eagle eye.

cmerlo1

That's the nicest one of those I've seen. I can't tell you how many 1970-D quarters I've looked at over the years for that variety. Congrats!

ECHOES

Why is this referred to as type 'H' and not type 'B'?

dlmtorts

These are exceedingly difficult to find. I have a 1970 d and a 1969 d that I posted on here many years ago when I joined this forum. I just looked and my pics posted here are not good quality so I can't tell if the points you make about about clashing and the neck deviation are present. I'll try to get mine and see in the next few days. That's a great find. I know of a couple of uncirc. 1969's and seems like I've heard of another uncirc 1970, but that's all. These seem to be too rare for their own good since no one seems to know about them!

ricko

You have a sharp eye Dan.... what did you pick up initially? Something grabbed your attention... for me, it would likely have been the 'bump' on his neck.... I would not have been looking for the other points.... Cheers, RickO

StrikeOutXXX

@ECHOES said:
Why is this referred to as type 'H' and not type 'B'?

They are both the same principal (Proof dies used on business strike coins) but, they are 2 different reverses.

Type H Uses the proof reverse (RDV-008) that was intended for use on Proof Coins from 1968-1972. The variety is when that reverse was used on a business strike coin - usually 1969-D, 1970-D, 1971-D and 1972-D

Type B Uses the proof reverse (RDV-002) that was intended for use on Proof Coins from 1937-1942 and 1950-1964. The variety is when that reverse die was used on a business strike coin - usually from 1956 - 1964

There are many reverse varieties out there, here are a few good references:

http://www.washingtontype-b.com/

heartlandcoinclub.com/Documents/Washington%20Quarters%20Reverse%20Design%20Varieties%20(RDV)%20From%20A%20to%20H,%20and%20Beyond.pdf

sparky64

Excellent reference info @StrikeOutXXX .
I don't think I've seen that pdf presentation before.

ECHOES

@StrikeOutXXX said:

@ECHOES said:
Why is this referred to as type 'H' and not type 'B'?

They are both the same principal (Proof dies used on business strike coins) but, they are 2 different reverses.

Type H Uses the proof reverse (RDV-008) that was intended for use on Proof Coins from 1968-1972. The variety is when that reverse was used on a business strike coin - usually 1969-D, 1970-D, 1971-D and 1972-D

Type B Uses the proof reverse (RDV-002) that was intended for use on Proof Coins from 1937-1942 and 1950-1964. The variety is when that reverse die was used on a business strike coin - usually from 1956 - 1964

There are many reverse varieties out there, here are a few good references:

http://www.washingtontype-b.com/

heartlandcoinclub.com/Documents/Washington%20Quarters%20Reverse%20Design%20Varieties%20(RDV)%20From%20A%20to%20H,%20and%20Beyond.pdf

Thank you very much...
I was lucky and found a type 'C' in my junk silver, and wasn't aware of this variety.
The hunt begins for the type 'H'

davewesen

@StrikeOutXXX said:

@ECHOES said:
Why is this referred to as type 'H' and not type 'B'?

They are both the same principal (Proof dies used on business strike coins) but, they are 2 different reverses.

Type H Uses the proof reverse (RDV-008) that was intended for use on Proof Coins from 1968-1972. The variety is when that reverse was used on a business strike coin - usually 1969-D, 1970-D, 1971-D and 1972-D

Type B Uses the proof reverse (RDV-002) that was intended for use on Proof Coins from 1937-1942 and 1950-1964. The variety is when that reverse die was used on a business strike coin - usually from 1956 - 1964

There are many reverse varieties out there, here are a few good references:

http://www.washingtontype-b.com/

heartlandcoinclub.com/Documents/Washington%20Quarters%20Reverse%20Design%20Varieties%20(RDV)%20From%20A%20to%20H,%20and%20Beyond.pdf

Thanks again, the presentation by Jose Gallego is the best I have seen on Washington reverse varieties.

for my future searches -> washrev

jtlee321

Edited: I got the Type M confused with the Type H. Please disregard.

I thought I recalled the Type H for 1970-D being a little more common, as it could be found in Mint Sets. I had accidentally stumbled across one in a dealers case a couple years ago. I posted it because of it's very late die state. I could be mistaken though.

Here is the Quarter I was recalling.

Insider2

@jtlee321 said:
I thought I recalled the Type H for 1970-D being a little more common, as it could be found in Mint Sets. I had accidentally stumbled across one in a dealers case a couple years ago. I posted it because of it's very late die state. I could be mistaken though.

Here is the Quarter I was recalling.

Not the same. Leaf not over arrow tip.

THANK'S Dan. It just turned noon and I learned something new! Wow, that is a wonderful coin variety.

I'll guarantee if the typical coin hoarded were to dump their coins out and put them in stacks by date and mint they would find more neat changes in the designs that most of us are not looking for or aware of. The 1970 dimes was another "eureka" moment as this for me. Thanks again, I'll be looking!

jtlee321

@Insider2 said:

@jtlee321 said:
I thought I recalled the Type H for 1970-D being a little more common, as it could be found in Mint Sets. I had accidentally stumbled across one in a dealers case a couple years ago. I posted it because of it's very late die state. I could be mistaken though.

Here is the Quarter I was recalling.

Not the same. Leaf not over arrow tip.

THANK'S Dan. It just turned noon and I learned something new! Wow, that is a wonderful coin variety.

I'll guarantee if the typical coin hoarded were to dump their coins out and put them in stacks by date and mint they would find more neat changes in the designs that most of us are not looking for or aware of. The 1970 dimes was another "eureka" moment as this for me. Thanks again, I'll be looking!

You are quite right. I confused it with the Type M. My apologies.