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Goodacre to sell Sacabuck related art...
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Anyone interested in Goodacre stuff? Article in Coinworld. At least one of the slabbed brassbucks are going up for auction...
Glenna Goodacre sends to auction Sacagawea dollar-related art
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Very cool. I know @messydesk has a cool possibly one of a kind sac dollar. Maybe he'll post a pic of it.
Read the article. What my client has is from the first strike ceremony from 1999 at Philadelphia. Bought it in an estate of a collector in Illinois. This is the VIP version with mint case and cert. of authenticity. Has a different finish from the regular Sac. Pricing information is hard to get. Figured someone here has had one of these at one time or another.
put a denomination on it a let it loose!
it looks much better than the coin
Calling Daniel Carr......??
Hmm...
Yes it would be technically possible to scan one of the original sculpts and make a die from it, and then over-strike Sacagawea dollars. The original had a more authentic frontier look, before it got "Disneyfied" on the actual coins.
I have seen some terra cotta models that were made from the original sculpt. One of those might work.
However, there is one problem with this. The Sacagawea Dollar obverse is one of the very few US coin designs that actually is copyrighted. I don't know if the US Mint or Goodacre holds that copyright. It might be necessary to obtain permission from the copyright holder before doing anything like this.
The Philadelphia VIP strikes are not too hard to find. The tough one is the Denver VIP strike. In 17 years I've only seen one for sale.
I'm sure Goodacre would probably take payment in a few overstrikes for the rights to use it
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Those buried VA0000966985 & 6 are the US Mint's copyright numbers
Part of the contest was signing over rights.
I remember that, from when I participated in the contest.
So if the US Mint holds the copyright, then how does Glenna Goodacre legally create and sell her various subsequent editions of it (terra cotta "tiles", bronze plaques, etc.) ? Those were made and sold after the copyright was signed over.
Looking at those copyright documents, it appears that maybe the US Mint holds copyright on the revised version that was used for coinage, but not the original version ? That would allow Glenna Goodacre to use the original version for her own products, but not the coined version.
The part of the document that makes me think that is this:
" Basis of Claim: New Matter: modifications to relief. "
I found the two via "court files" sites listing text from Mint vs. Washington Mint.
Supposedly 985 is the original and 986 was the coined one.
Ok, that makes sense. So the US Mint holds the copyright for the original sculpted design as well as the coined version.
But I'm still wondering how it is that Goodacre can produce and sell products using that design.
Has a parchment look/feel to it in the photo provided here.
Perhaps she retained exclusive rights to use it. She was crafty as she was able to obtain payment in 5000 specially produced sac coins so it wouldn't surprise me if she also had the forethought of retaining the use rights in the deal too.
Edit: Wait, could it actually be a free use copyright under public domain? Contrary to popular belief.
I wonder if she has one of the Cheerios reverse coins like the one I handled in October of 1999?
She was crafty as she was able to obtain payment in 5000 specially produced sac coins so it wouldn't surprise me if she also had the forethought of retaining the use rights in the deal too.
Crafty? To get 5,000 specially burnished coins that no one else got? Once they were issued, the coins went on sale for $200 each. Multiply it out: 5,000 x $200 = $1 million.
IMO this was a sweetheart deal that no other coin designer in the history of U. S. coinage ever received.
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Some really nice stuff there.... the original portrait was indeed more attractive than the 'disneyfied' coin version. Cheers, RickO
Agreed. And I'm sure it's a sore spot with some of the runners up and other artists who's designs were used on US coinage however unless it was some form of nepotism or cronyism she asked for it and she got it. A brilliant move nonetheless imo and it stands to reason that she also could have retained special permission to continue using the design for her own purposes if such was needed.
I really like the square bronze relief study. The article doesn't say how many were made. The estimate seems low compared to that of other pieces. The only piece I really don't care for is "The Offering." Holding up a giant (to scale) coin looks cheesy.
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Absolutely.
But I don't fault Glenna Goodacre. Her friend Hillary may have had a hand in this.
A year later when I designed the NY and RI state quarters for the US Mint, my experience was opposite of Glenna Goodacre. The Mint never sent any acknowledgement that my designs were used on the two coins. I was not invited to any striking ceremonies or anything. I was not presented with any examples of the coins - I had to buy some off the US Mint website like everybody else. The Mint wouldn't even disclose to anyone who designed the coins until Coin World investigated it. My name still doesn't appear on the Mint website as the designer of the coins. Regardless, it was still a great honor to have designs selected for use on coinage. Knowing the right people can get you extra benefits, I guess.
Ah ha. So she knew Hillary? That makes a lot of sense now. Anyway, if I were you I wouldn't hold it against her either. Say you did win, that alone could have changed the trajectory of your career and the Moonlight Mint may never have been crated. Perhaps the thought would have never crossed your mind or perhaps whatever path that led you down would have prevented you from even knowing that a decommissioned press was being offered for sale 10yrs ago etc.