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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a quote from the clip on the internet about the call!
    "Even Sam Shields, the Packers cornerback who was defending Bryant on that play, later said that he thought it was a catch."

    Looking at the play again....Dez clearly caught the ball at the 5 yard line took 3 or 4 steps before going down and never losing control of the ball. He was clearly a runner when he hit the ground. It was a terrible call!

    And Mark, the reason the Cowboys have only won 2 playoff games in the last 20 years is do mostly to Tony Romo's inept play at QB. He is clearly a choke-artist as should never be in the HOF. Maybe Hall of Shame along side with that 1st baseman of the Red Socks that gave the WS to the Mets back in the 80's.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I didn't realize Sam Shields was an official, lol.

    Because players are always fully versed on the rules.



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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Better stats than Aikman , and lets face it Aikman was a journeyman surrounded by all stars . He was smart enough to stay out of trouble and just win. Romo hasn't had much help other than a solid offensive line now and then

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Calling Aikman a journeyman is a bit silly don't you think? Very accurate passer who could have better stats had the 90's cowboys not been such a running team.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2017 8:42AM

    @craig44 said:
    Calling Aikman a journeyman is a bit silly don't you think? Very accurate passer who could have better stats had the 90's cowboys not been such a running team.

    When Tom Brady missed a season Matt Cassell went 11-5 and most would agree he was a scrub

    Put Aikman on the Cowboys teams during Romos tenure they don't win any superbowls. Put Romo on the Cowboys with the supporting cast Troy had and Romo might win one more than Aikman

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2017 9:11AM

    @bronco2078 said:

    @craig44 said:
    Calling Aikman a journeyman is a bit silly don't you think? Very accurate passer who could have better stats had the 90's cowboys not been such a running team.

    When Tom Brady missed a season Matt Cassell went 11-5 and most would agree he was a scrub

    Put Aikman on the Cowboys teams during Romos tenure they don't win any superbowls. Put Romo on the Cowboys with the supporting cast Troy had and Romo might win one more than Aikman

    That is COMPLETE BS!!!! Aikman a journeyman...LOL!!! He is 100 times the QB that Romo was.

    You need to back off your medication!!

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bronco2078 said:

    @craig44 said:
    Calling Aikman a journeyman is a bit silly don't you think? Very accurate passer who could have better stats had the 90's cowboys not been such a running team.

    When Tom Brady missed a season Matt Cassell went 11-5 and most would agree he was a scrub

    Put Aikman on the Cowboys teams during Romos tenure they don't win any superbowls. Put Romo on the Cowboys with the supporting cast Troy had and Romo might win one more than Aikman

    For sure Aikman would have won zero Super Bowls with the Cowboys during the Romo era

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:
    I didn't realize Sam Shields was an official, lol.

    Because players are always fully versed on the rules.

    no kidding. I hate the rule as well but at least I know it. In real time I said thats no catch. Never a doubt it would be ruled no catch

    mark

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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2017 9:38AM

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @bronco2078 said:

    @craig44 said:
    Calling Aikman a journeyman is a bit silly don't you think? Very accurate passer who could have better stats had the 90's cowboys not been such a running team.

    When Tom Brady missed a season Matt Cassell went 11-5 and most would agree he was a scrub

    Put Aikman on the Cowboys teams during Romos tenure they don't win any superbowls. Put Romo on the Cowboys with the supporting cast Troy had and Romo might win one more than Aikman

    That is COMPLETE BS!!!! Aikman a journeyman...LOL!!! He is 100 times the QB that Romo was.

    You need to back off your medication!!

    I'll back off on what I said about Cassell that was unfair. :D
    Going forward I think you will find Romo to be a better announcer than Aikman also

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:

    @grote15 said:
    I didn't realize Sam Shields was an official, lol.

    Because players are always fully versed on the rules.

    no kidding. I hate the rule as well but at least I know it. In real time I said thats no catch. Never a doubt it would be ruled no catch

    mark

    Mark...by rule you have to catch the ball....come down with both feet and become a runner. He did all three!!!!

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    actually that is in correct

    mark

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:
    actually that is in correct

    mark

    What didn't he do Mark???

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thats not the complete definition. Dez didn’t catch it. Not by the definition of the rule. He did not maintain control through the catch to the ground to complete the process. Rule is fuzzy at best and I hate it but its on the books

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2017 10:19AM

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/referee-explains-why-dez-bryants-catch-was-ruled-incomplete/

    According to the rules, Steratore made the right call, just like he did several years ago when he overturned what looked to be a plain-as-day touchdown reception by Lions wideout Calvin Johnson. He explained the Bryant no catch

    "Although the receiver is possessing the football, he must maintain possession of that football throughout the entire process of the catch," Steratore said after the game, via the Dallas Morning News. "In our judgement he maintained possession but continued to fall and never had another act common to the game."

    "We deemed that by our judgement to be the full process of the catch, and at the time he lands and the ball hits the ground, it comes loose as it hits the ground, which would make that incomplete; although he re-possesses it, it does contact the ground when he reaches so the repossession is irrelevant because it was ruled an incomplete pass when we had the ball hit the ground."

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:
    Thats not the complete definition. Dez didn’t catch it. Not by the definition of the rule. He did not maintain control through the catch to the ground to complete the process. Rule is fuzzy at best and I hate it but its on the books

    mark

    Mark, that is the definition. He caught the ball ran 15 feet then went down as a runner and as such the ground can not cause a fumble. If he would have went down before taking those steps..yes then no catch....but he took steps...so it's a catch then fumble, which is not a fumble really, but is a moot point because he recovered the ball. Not only was it a catch, but is also a TD.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think Romo is going to kill it in the broadcast booth. Way down the line, I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the senior tour -- he's a hell of a golfer.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    I think Romo is going to kill it in the broadcast booth. Way down the line, I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the senior tour -- he's a hell of a golfer.

    I don't really care what he does.....he has been DEAD to me for years!!!

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I sure wish someone would disabuse Dimeman of the notion that Romo sucks at life

    you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2017 10:45AM

    @galaxy27 said:
    I sure wish someone would disabuse Dimeman of the notion that Romo sucks at life

    Sorry G27, but Romo just broke the hearts of us Cowboy fans too many times! I'm glad he is gone and don't wish him anything bad.....I just don't care. Also,,,,what does disabuse mean???

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @galaxy27 said:
    I sure wish someone would disabuse Dimeman of the notion that Romo sucks at life

    Sorry G27, but Romo just broke the hearts of us Cowboy fans too many times! I'm glad he is gone and don't wish him anything bad.....I just don't care. Also,,,,what does disabuse mean???

    It means tony Romo is tired of taking all of dis-abuse from you B)

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @Justacommeman said:
    Thats not the complete definition. Dez didn’t catch it. Not by the definition of the rule. He did not maintain control through the catch to the ground to complete the process. Rule is fuzzy at best and I hate it but its on the books

    mark

    Mark, that is the definition. He caught the ball ran 15 feet then went down as a runner and as such the ground can not cause a fumble. If he would have went down before taking those steps..yes then no catch....but he took steps...so it's a catch then fumble, which is not a fumble really, but is a moot point because he recovered the ball. Not only was it a catch, but is also a TD.

    Mark, one last post on the catch. First and foremost I would call that a catch no matter who made it. I'm not calling it a catch because it was a Cowboy. Second, I guess where I disagree with you and the official is that I say he was a runner when he went down and you say not. My answer to that is what do you call putting your feet up and down and going 15 feet? If he would have gone up caught the ball and came down without taking those steps....then yes, by rule, no catch. But he did take those steps.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @Justacommeman said:

    @grote15 said:
    I didn't realize Sam Shields was an official, lol.

    Because players are always fully versed on the rules.

    no kidding. I hate the rule as well but at least I know it. In real time I said thats no catch. Never a doubt it would be ruled no catch

    mark

    Mark...by rule you have to catch the ball....come down with both feet and become a runner. He did all three!!!!

    Nope, > @DIMEMAN said:

    @galaxy27 said:
    I sure wish someone would disabuse Dimeman of the notion that Romo sucks at life

    Sorry G27, but Romo just broke the hearts of us Cowboy fans too many times! I'm glad he is gone and don't wish him anything bad.....I just don't care. Also,,,,what does disabuse mean???

    Another misguided Cowboy fan, lol..



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  • vintagefunvintagefun Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭

    I'm a Cowboy fan since 78. I got nothing but love for Romo. He was a victim of circumstance. There's no way he's a HOFer. But Cowboys Ring of Honor, I think is a lock.

    I'm not sure where all of Dime's vitriol towards Tony comes from, but to place Dallas' woes solely at Romo's feet is totally unfair. We wasted a good QBs career. I was a huge Danny White fan, but the two aren't even close. And while
    I love Dak, let's not anoint him yet. He played mistake free, game manager football a la Alex Smith, and had a first season of strong and exciting play a la Kaepernick. Let's see how he progresses and deals with circumstance before we crown him the next Staubach/Aikman.

    The two areas we do agree...Dallas is awesome...and that was a catch...at least to anyone who's played the game. The ball was possessed. The Stretch was a football move. The ground caused the ball to come out...but for history's sake, it will always be incomplete, and such is life. Crappy rule, especially when dealing with the end zone. Any naysayers, it's easy to just say it's the rule, incomplete...imagine your team went out like that, and my guess is you too would be bitter for years.

    All the best to Romo. I think he'll be great in the booth...and I'm appreciative of his Dallas years. For better or worse, his play has us with today's team, which is exciting, and I wish he was our very expensive backup. But I'm glad he retired a Cowboy.

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  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now that everybody has stood up for and/or dissected Romo's on field play...no question he was a great QB in his day, but...
    it's what he can or cannot do in the booth that now matters most. I still say take your many millions and go enjoy life to the max...that is unless you just gotta feed that ego thing.

    As for Simms...a low rent guy in my book. Trashing Brady and claiming he (Simms) could tell the difference in a 9.9 psi football and a 10.0 psi football. He should have taken the high road in the deflategate saga, instead he chose to go with innuendo, conjecture and a healthy dose of BS. Odd how nobody ever seems to mention that Brady etal CRUSHED the jets in the second half of the game in question, AFTER the balls were properly inflated.

    I think the best team broadcasting pro football is Michaels and Collinsworth.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,150 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You just know that Tony will be in the booth this upcoming season for a Dallas game. The network will see to it to help the ratings. Oh the drama.

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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does Romo have some kind of experience or training to start him at the #1 position?

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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe he will get injured in the booth and some rookie will steal that gig too :D

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @vintagefun said:
    I'm a Cowboy fan since 78. I got nothing but love for Romo. He was a victim of circumstance. There's no way he's a HOFer. But Cowboys Ring of Honor, I think is a lock.

    I'm not sure where all of Dime's vitriol towards Tony comes from, but to place Dallas' woes solely at Romo's feet is totally unfair. We wasted a good QBs career. I was a huge Danny White fan, but the two aren't even close. And while
    I love Dak, let's not anoint him yet. He played mistake free, game manager football a la Alex Smith, and had a first season of strong and exciting play a la Kaepernick. Let's see how he progresses and deals with circumstance before we crown him the next Staubach/Aikman.
    All the best to Romo. I think he'll be great in the booth...and I'm appreciative of his Dallas years. For better or worse, his play has us with today's team, which is exciting, and I wish he was our very expensive backup. But I'm glad he retired a Cowboy.

    @vintagefun great post and I find this spot on. Faith has been restored,

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Brick said:
    Does Romo have some kind of experience or training to start him at the #1 position?

    I was wondering the same thing. How do we know he is the second coming of Chris collinsworth?

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Fake ESPN‏ @TheFakeESPN Apr 5
    More

    Breaking: Tony Romo injured his vocal chords in a broadcast simulation and will miss the first 4 games of the season.



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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Fake ESPN‏ @TheFakeESPN Apr 5
    More

    Breaking: Tony Romo injured his vocal chords in a broadcast simulation and will miss the first 4 games of the season.



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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dez was off-balance from the time he first grabbed the ball all the way to the ground. He was never a "runner" - he was a stumbler. He was falling the whole time and the ball came loose when he hit the ground. No catch. Looked obvious to me when I saw it live, during the replay challenge, and ever since. I honestly don't think it's even close.

    As for Tony, he was a terrific quarterback. Easily one of the best players Dallas has ever had.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:
    Dez was off-balance from the time he first grabbed the ball all the way to the ground. He was never a "runner" - he was a stumbler. He was falling the whole time and the ball came loose when he hit the ground. No catch. Looked obvious to me when I saw it live, during the replay challenge, and ever since. I honestly don't think it's even close.

    As for Tony, he was a terrific quarterback. Easily one of the best players Dallas has ever had.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:

    @Tabe said:
    Dez was off-balance from the time he first grabbed the ball all the way to the ground. He was never a "runner" - he was a stumbler. He was falling the whole time and the ball came loose when he hit the ground. No catch. Looked obvious to me when I saw it live, during the replay challenge, and ever since. I honestly don't think it's even close.

    As for Tony, he was a terrific quarterback. Easily one of the best players Dallas has ever had.

    My brother from another mother. Bingo.

    mark

    Wow...so now it is not if you take steps or not.....it's "what kind" of steps you take!!!

    I CAN'T LOL... LOUD ENOUGH!!!!! Totally crazy and stupid!!!!

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 7, 2017 11:17AM

    @DIMEMAN said:

    Wow...so now it is not if you take steps or not.....it's "what kind" of steps you take!!!

    Actually, yeah, it is. Part of having possession is the ability to "make a football move". Falling to the ground isn't a football move and that was the only thing Dez could do after grabbing the pass.

    Here's the actual rule:

    1) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
    2) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
    3) maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps

    Look at that last part of #3. Dez wasn't capable of "avoiding or warding off impacting contact". So he was never a runner. And if you're not a runner, you have to maintain full control of the ball, which Dez did not.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    no catch

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The irony here is that the previous week when Detroit got absolutely robbed on a horrible call late in the game that helped Dallas win, DM was here defending the call, LOL.

    Upon further review, the ruling on the field is overturned.... no catch.



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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    Wow...so now it is not if you take steps or not.....it's "what kind" of steps you take!!!

    Actually, yeah, it is. Part of having possession is the ability to "make a football move". Falling to the ground isn't a football move and that was the only thing Dez could do after grabbing the pass.

    Here's the actual rule:

    1) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
    2) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
    3) maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps

    Look at that last part of #3. Dez wasn't capable of "avoiding or warding off impacting contact". So he was never a runner. And if you're not a runner, you have to maintain full control of the ball, which Dez did not.

    Did you ever consider the fact that he caught the ball on the run and still running dove for the end zone??

    It was definitely a catch.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No catch by that definition

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @Tabe said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    Wow...so now it is not if you take steps or not.....it's "what kind" of steps you take!!!

    Actually, yeah, it is. Part of having possession is the ability to "make a football move". Falling to the ground isn't a football move and that was the only thing Dez could do after grabbing the pass.

    Here's the actual rule:

    1) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
    2) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
    3) maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps

    Look at that last part of #3. Dez wasn't capable of "avoiding or warding off impacting contact". So he was never a runner. And if you're not a runner, you have to maintain full control of the ball, which Dez did not.

    Did you ever consider the fact that he caught the ball on the run and still running dove for the end zone??

    It was definitely a catch.

    I did consider the facts. That's why it's no catch. FYI I needed the Cowboys to win that game. It was just after the week before so I can live with that

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2017 2:10PM

    @DIMEMAN said:

    Did you ever consider the fact that he caught the ball on the run and still running dove for the end zone??

    It was definitely a catch.

    Yes, I considered that but, since he wasn't doing that, I threw it out as a possibility. He was never under control. He was FALLING. Had there been a defender approaching, he'd never have been able to try and avoid the defender. By rule, that means he wasn't a runner.

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