Pattern 1855 small cent varieties
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Hello, everyone.
I haven't been here in ages and I fear that I may be a bit out of sync with new rules and guidelines. Please excuse me if I step on a toe or 2.
I am trying to determine the variety number and scarcity of an 1855 small cent pattern. I've kind of given up though I was able to determine it is of the 2 leaves variety above the E in STATES. I don't know if I can (or if I am even allowed) to post the images...but if they don't appear, can anyone help me to determine what possible "J" numbers might apply to the 2 leaves variety and where I might search for a reference online? Thanks VERY much.
Music AL
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J-172 or J-173 depending on metal composition
Here's the best online reference that I know of (I linked to the page which includes 1855 patterns):
uspatterns.com/pat17.html
How big is this coin in relation to a cent size. Was looking for a patter to fill a hole in a dansco set of indian cents , would this pattern fit, kind of like it
This.
"United States Pattern Coins" 10th Edition has the J-172 rarity as L6 and the J-173 as an L-7.
I think it's a very attractive large cent pattern. Congrats!
Cool coin Al!
Welcome back ... and a nice coin indeed.....Cheers, RickO
Hello, everyone.
As always, your input and sharing your skill and knowledge is invaluable. Thank you.
Yosclimber and DMWJR, thanks for the attribution assistance. Out of curiosity, What is the J scale for rarity, if I may ask, how high do the numbers in the Rarity scale go? I noted that there were restrikes made. Can these be determined or should I submit it to PCGS. I can't tell if it is copper or bronze. Just renewed my membership.
Jdimmick, the coin is small cent size but I'm not sure it would fit in a book like yours.
I am thinking that somehow this piece made it into circulation judging from the weakness of tail details among other obvious spots. How does one evaluate a piece like this for sale?
Again, thanks VERY much!
MusicAL
Or it can be a new discovery. We have had those on these boards in the past.
There was the 1942 aluminum cent pattern first posted here that was called a fake but then certified by PCGS and sold for $126,500.00.
The 1942 aluminum cent is also listed in both Judd and Pollock.
I'm not saying this particular specimen is real or not, just that it shouldn't be categorically called a fake if it hasn't been seen before.
More likely, MusicAL is mistaken.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
J is a Judd ID number, not a rarity scale.
FallGuy posted an L scale for rarity that I'm not familiar with; apparently defined in the book he references.
The most common rarity scale uses R and goes to R-8.
Apologies for the confusing post. Judd adds Low and High to the rarity scale for only R6 and R7. I was looking at the populations under the rarity column and copied the data for the OP's pattern without even thinking about it.
Hello to everyone who has been so helpful in answering my inquiry about the 1855 Flying Eagle 1 cent pattern. I too became a bit confused about the "Size" of the coin after reading the posts so while I was at the bank, I pulled it out of the dark recesses of the bank box and with a ruler, discovered that it was very close to 1" in diameter, significantly smaller than a "large cent" and significantly larger than a "small cent". My old photos were used in my post and I'm sorry!!! Hell...I'm 66...guess I can mess something up occasionally...???
OK. so clearly here we have a topic where size definitely does matter! Does this measurement throw a monkey wrench into my whole initial question and your very kind replies? Does it still qualify as a Judd 172 or 173???
Sorry I have made a mess of this.
Again, thanks for your guidance!
MusicAl
Here is a link to the die markers
Your coin looks to be XF. These sell for $2,000 to $3,000