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Hmmmm....not sure about the frosting on these Morgans!

ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 15, 2017 10:22AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I was perusing ebay checking out 1879-S Morgans for my grading set and ran across this raw coin:

ebay.com/itm/1879-S-MORGAN-DOLLAR-CAMEO-ULTRA-DMPL-GEM-BU-UNC-MONSTER-BLACK-WHITE-DPL-/252770087133?hash=item3ada4570dd:g:IrkAAOSwfVpYopkH

Didn't really like the look of it so checked the sellers other items...interesting selection of frosted Morgans! Looks artificial to me...thoughts? Curious from a learning standpoint really, I could very well be wrong.

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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2017 10:35AM

    IMO it's just bad photo messing .. overly saturated and/or too much contrast tweaking.

    However they're all raw, too, so...

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    someone quite literally over saturated a black and white edited photo. Stay away.

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It does say that it is 'absolutely a museum masterpiece'. :smile:

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    PRECIOUSMENTALPRECIOUSMENTAL Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭

    I enlarged that photo, think I sprained my optic nerves looking at it.

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 11,667 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looked normal when viewed with sunglasses on. B)

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 7,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like wholesaledmpls has a new name

    Collector, occasional seller

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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭

    I dunno - it's so blinding it's hard to see that it is a coin.

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree, juiced up photos.

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    However, they can look like that. Click on my picture. No messing with contrast, it looks like that.

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston said:
    It does say that it is 'absolutely a museum masterpiece'. :smile:

    Not exactly. It's a meusum [sic] masterpiece.

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If they were that great, they would have been encapsulated already and sold as such for BIG bucks!

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    KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2017 9:03PM

    I can't remember if it was on this forum or on another one, but somebody had purchased one of these morgan dollars off eBay and posted their own pictures when they got the coin in hand.




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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    Looks like wholesaledmpls has a new name

    I thought the same thing and was sure thats who this thread was going to be about

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Run. Run. Run.

    When in doubt, don't.
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    rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This marketing approach goes back to at least the 1980s.... selling "Gem BU" "ultra DMPL" dollars that aren't gem BU (MS65) and will never grade DMPL either. If you want real DMPL Morgans, I would suggest buying coins in PCGS holders that says "DMPL" on them. There's some simple advice that anyone who's interested in DMPL Morgans can take to the bank.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The sad fact is.... It will sell.... and someone will be disappointed/ripped off.... maybe quit the hobby... probably not, but will certainly be bitter for a while... Cheers, RickO

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,324 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Avoid. Too overexposed and too much reflection to actually see the cheeks.

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    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does anyone have pics of one of those so-called "California" Morgan dollars from the 70s I think that had painted frost. I've heard about them but have never seen one.

    The more you VAM..
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 33,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    its a meusum master piece and thy are saying not to send it in for grading cause they wont grade good deals or to the sorts. ill pass

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    mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    "truth in advertising" .... unless your a scuz selling coins on the ebay

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    rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CascadeChris said:
    Does anyone have pics of one of those so-called "California" Morgan dollars from the 70s I think that had painted frost. I've heard about them but have never seen one.

    I owned two of them in the 1990s - inadvertently. They were dated 1880-s and 1881-s. I bought them in the local brick & mortar shop. They fooled the dealers, and they fooled me at the time. One day, I was looking at the 1881-S, and I noticed there was a small speck of "frosting" in the field behind Ms. Liberty's cap. Uh-oh! It was a greasy substance that came off easily with my finger nail. I took them back to the shop, and they rinsed off the rest of the fake frosting with some sort of solvent, revealing heavily bagmarked, semi-PL coins with no cameo effect. The fake frosting not only enhances the DMPL appearance, but it covers up bagmarks wonderfully. Money cheerfully refunded. That's what I get for buying "DMPL" dollars that were not housed in PCGS holders.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,531 ✭✭✭✭✭

    UNREAL MEUSUM MASTERPIECE

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    KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2017 7:34PM

    @CascadeChris said:
    Does anyone have pics of one of those so-called "California" Morgan dollars from the 70s I think that had painted frost. I've heard about them but have never seen one.

    Saved these pictures from an eBay listing.


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    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kyle said:

    @CascadeChris said:
    Does anyone have pics of one of those so-called "California" Morgan dollars from the 70s I think that had painted frost. I've heard about them but have never seen one.

    Saved these pictures from an eBay listing.


    Wow. Thanks. I noticed the fakery in an instance. But I'm a VAMmer so...

    I can see how that can fool non Morgan guys though. Those can be sold as DCAM proofs to the unknowing!

    The more you VAM..

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