1921 Satin Proof Peace Dollars, still less than 12 known? Any PCGS yet?

northcoin

Came across this reporting from an old discussion from 2003 from coinguy1 regarding Satin Proof Peace Dollars referencing up to 12 known, although apparently at least up to that point in time PCGS was not grading them. Has that changed? If so I should probably submit mine that I have now had for over a decade and a half.

"Walter Breen describes the 1921 Satin Proofs as having "scattered die file marks" on the obverse "up and down, crossing each other in upper left fields and through and around upper parts of letters in LIBERTY, these mostly parallel to horizontal elements of letters; others in approximately concentric arcs of circles. Triangular pellet stop after (S)T in unusually high relief, even more than the other stops. Rev. Rays in high relief; similar die lines."

He also describes the 1922 low relief Satin proofs as having finishes similar to the 1921's, with built up rims and noticeably superior strike in many design areas.

The legitimate Satin proofs that I seen displayed a somewhat vibrant, semi-prooflike appearance, compared to business strikes, along with impressive strikes. .....

NGC has certified (12) Satin proof 1921's and (2) Satin proof 1922's. Again, some of those are probably resubmissions."

crazyhounddog

That sure would be a superb coin to stumble upon now wouldn't it
Great read, Thanks

WoodenJefferson

I'm almost certain RWB will chime in at one point.

RogerB

Pick up a copy of the Guide Book of Peace Dollars, 3rd edition. That should answer your questions. Also, see the post "Grade this '21 Peace dollar" and the photo with arrows pointing out highest points of the obverse.

SomeGuyFromMichigan

Quoting northcoin's **_"Walter Breen describes the 1921 Satin Proofs as having "scattered die file marks" ** Not file marks, but fine die polish.
When reviewing the SP Low relief coin struck on a metal press you can see the fine polish marks on the face and neck, around the date and thru out the field as on the 1921's.
So here is the large version of that photo.

1922 $1 Modified High Relief Production Trial J-2020 PR-67
Then go to the large format to view the close up details.

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/CoinImages.aspx?s=97384

Barndog

Are they addressed in the "Renaissance" books? I've read one and have two more to go!

oih82w8

No, but I have seen a few "polished" dollars that the seller was awful proud of.

ManifestDestiny

@Barndog said:
Are they addressed in the "Renaissance" books? I've read one and have two more to go!

What are the Renaissance books?

Barndog

@ManifestDestiny said:

@Barndog said:
Are they addressed in the "Renaissance" books? I've read one and have two more to go!

What are the Renaissance books?

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ManifestDestiny

What are your thoughts on these books? I am thinking about ordering them.

Wabbit2313

Coinfacts has the following on these:

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/87382

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/7382

Barndog

@ManifestDestiny said:
What are your thoughts on these books? I am thinking about ordering them.

i really enjoyed the first one and the story of the interaction between Pres Roosevelt and A S Gaudens. Formed a new opinion of Barber too. Enjoying second book now (about sixty pages in)

Definitely recommend!

northcoin

@Wabbit2313 said:
Coinfacts has the following on these:

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/87382

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/7382

Thanks. That confirms that PCGS has in fact now recognized the matte proof 1921 Peace Dollar. Have they graded any of the satin proofs or are they still an NGC exclusive?

northcoin

@RogerB said:
Pick up a copy of the Guide Book of Peace Dollars, 3rd edition. That should answer your questions. Also, see the post "Grade this '21 Peace dollar" and the photo with arrows pointing out highest points of the obverse.

Thanks. I will try to locate a copy. Does it reference any PCGS graded 1921 Satin Proof Peace Dollars?

RogerB

I don't believe PCGS handles 1921 Satin proof dollars. NGC does both.

northcoin

@RogerB said:
I don't believe PCGS handles 1921 Satin proof dollars. NGC does both.

Thanks.

ricko

I keep hoping one will turn up at a local antique shop... one has a display case with Morgans and a few Peace dollars... all overpriced... however, one of these could 'slip' in ....Cheers, RickO

RogerB

Look for characteristics similar to the one in the other thread. No luster, metallic sheen, very strong, even detail, etc.

sjl442

I owned a 1921 Satin Finish Peace Dollar. Bought it from Brian Hendelson in 1984 and paid $25,000. There was no question as to this coin being a proof. This was all before slabbing. If you ever get a chance to examine a true proof, you will come to the same conclusion as I did, one of my favorite items I have ever owned in my career.