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Help! Odd Digits on the Date of a 1902 S Half

JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

I purchase a 1902 S Barber Half a few years back and noticed odd looking blobs of metal on all 4 digits in the date.

The blobs look struck to me, but since the digits are fully struck I don't think extra metal was struck in. It's my belief the digits on the die were gouged- possibly chipped. Due to the consistancy of the blobs my guess is periodic chipping of the die wasn't the culprit. My guess is that the die received extra "punches" ans the date was applied, but to all 4 digits?

I've looked for another example of this oddity to no avail. Does anyone have insight on what may have caused this? Has anyone seen something like this before?

I love them Barber Halves.....

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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 9,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great close-up shot. I do not know but it sure looks cool.

  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    Fine example of ? All the excess metal seems to be coming from the north west (11 O'clock position) on the numbers. There is more than just a chipped die going on here.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,446 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2017 5:59AM

    Machine doubling damage.

    Edit: The obverse die started to shear off the date, most likely as the coin was being ejected after being struck.

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:
    Machine doubling damage.

    Edit: The obverse die started to shear off the date, most likely as the coin was being ejected after being struck.

    If it's machine doubling where did the extra metal come from? Wouldn't there be signs of doubling on other parts of the coin as well?

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As the die pulled away from the just-struck coin, it did not rise straight up but instead "shimmied" sideways a bit and scraped against the sides of the raised numerals. This pushed against the metal of the numerals and it had nowhere to go but up.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,446 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffMTampa said:

    @messydesk said:
    Machine doubling damage.

    Edit: The obverse die started to shear off the date, most likely as the coin was being ejected after being struck.

    If it's machine doubling where did the extra metal come from? Wouldn't there be signs of doubling on other parts of the coin as well?

    After the coin was struck and while it was still partially "engaged" with the die, it was being pushed out of the coining chamber in the direction of the top of the obverse. The date got partially sheared by the die because of this contact, and the extra metal is simply the date being deformed.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Capt. is correct, as usual.....

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Mystery solved. Leave it to the talent on this board!

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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    CaptHenway answer sounds logical.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    a new thing learned. cool

  • JeffMTampaJeffMTampa Posts: 3,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    As the die pulled away from the just-struck coin, it did not rise straight up but instead "shimmied" sideways a bit and scraped against the sides of the raised numerals. This pushed against the metal of the numerals and it had nowhere to go but up.

    That sounds as logical as anything I can think of. If another identical one is found, however, we may need to revisit the issue.

    I love them Barber Halves.....
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another coin would simply be from
    the same effect, probably struck
    at the same time.

    It wouldn't change the analysis.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    +1 for machine doubling.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 24,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For the grade, I really like that coin!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent analysis by the good Capt. and Fred W. ..... Thanks, Cheers, RickO

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