Some TPG grade results. Subtitlted: How ajaan is a dumbass. UPDATE

ajaan

I submitted some coins to ANACS, I got a deal in which I only paid $15/coin which included shipping. Having not submitted to ANACS in years I thought I would give them a try with a few coins. Here are the results:

US 1925 Peace Dollar. ex PCGS AU58 ANACS MS62. I was sure this coin was MS.

Australia 1961 1/2p. Seller: Proof not graded. ANACS PF63 RB

Canada 1930 5c. Seller: MS60 ANACS AU55 +OUCH+

Canada 1911 1c. Seller MS64 ANACS MS63RB

Canada 1915 1c. Seller: MS63 ANACS MS63RB I love the look of this coin.

Now for the ajaan dumbass move of the decade. I bought this coin:

I wanted it in a PCGS slab so I broke it out and sent it to PCGS. It came back Unc. details Questionable Color. Not a proof. I thought it was a mechanical error so I contacted PCGS, sent it back to them, they again said it is not a Proof. I'm not happy. So I figure I'll send it to ANACS since it's only costing me $15. ANACS: no grade, not a Proof. I'm really POed at NGC now. Two of the top three TPGS says it isn't proof. My $200 coin is now a $2. coin. I fell like just tossing the thing in the trash and being done with it.

coinkat

It can't be all that bad... At least you are not relying on instructions from me to post images here.

ajaan

'kat, I had to see if they would let me type dumbass, the new software does.

coinkat

The Canadian large cents look nice. I don't know what to make of the Australian penny... I would rather see it in hand. I would look at the pop reports and check to see how many proofs have been graded by PCGS and NGC followed by a look into the Heritage auction archives to look at the ones they may have handled for comparison.

1960NYGiants

Don - do you have a larger photo of the 1959 Aussie coin? Is the inside edge of the rim rounded or squared off?

ajaan

Icollecteverything

That beautious 1915 cent looks PL.

TomB

That 1915 cent looks like a woody. I like those.

asheland

I love the 1915 cent as well! Nice one!

ajaan

hmmm . . . I wonder if I can get the Australian back into a NGC holder?

SYRACUSIAN

If you at least kept the old label, then you should try it.If you haven't, print this thread, they might sympathize.

Seriously though, it sounds as if you cracked the slab mechanically, without really thinking. At PF64RD ,I doubt that you'd have taken such a risk for an eventual one point upgrade.

ajaan

Still have the label and an image of the coin in the NGC slab. Yes, very stupid idea to crack the coin out. But does NGC really want a MS coin in a PF holder?

Stork

Have you been able to determine if it's a proof or not? I don't know what the determinants are, but it is POSSIBLE that NGC knows something and had it correct. (Did you send it to ANACS cracked out and liberated, or in the PCGS slab?).

Or, why not send it to ICG and see what they think too

ajaan

Sent both times raw, PCGS and ANACS. Both said the same thing, unable to match die to known proofs.

mnemtsas2

@ajaan said:
Sent both times raw, PCGS and ANACS. Both said the same thing, unable to match die to known proofs.

I have to say it doesn't look like a proof to me. The weakness of strike at the bottom is completely atypical of proofs of that time, they were invariably completely struck up. The rims are not square, there's no finning (multiple struck Aussie copper proofs usually show that) and the rim beads/denticles are also not fully struck up. The fields do not look particularly flat either. Sorry

SYRACUSIAN

@ajaan said:
Still have the label and an image of the coin in the NGC slab. Yes, very stupid idea to crack the coin out. But does NGC really want a MS coin in a PF holder?

They don't have to know. Besides, it's PCGS' opinion vs NGC and Mark Salzberg recently publicly accused PCGS . Just tell them that the holder was damaged beyond repair. Here's the proof of its previous certification. Thank you for your understanding.

ajaan

That's a good idea D. Cathy is going to send the coin in for me since I'm not a NGC member. I'm curious to see what NGC calls it this time.

Stork

Sadly, with the slab truly and fully broken, no guarantees remain (understandable as coins could be damaged, or replaced by the nefarious--not Don of course).

I had a pretty banged up one (thanks USPS)--fortunately the damage was on the 'label' end but the label was intact even if the plastic was cracked over it. The seller covered the reslab cost--but it would have sucked for all of us if the coin had to be regraded and dropped a grade I suppose. It shouldn't have, but you never know.

I've posted a version of this before (It came in a package including an original Japan Ministry of Finance slab which would have been irreplaceable..soooo glad it was this one and not that):

ajaan

Now NGC PF64 RB

Stork

I still say give ICG a try

ajaan

@Stork said:
I still say give ICG a try

desslok

@ajaan said:
Now NGC PF64 RB

The exact science of coin grading

TwoKopeiki

@ajaan said:
Now NGC PF64 RB

Coin grading In a nutshell.

pruebas

@desslok said:

@ajaan said:
Now NGC PF64 RB

The exact science of coin grading

Good news! But the question remains: what is it really?

ajaan

@pruebas said:

@desslok said:

@ajaan said:
Now NGC PF64 RB

The exact science of coin grading

Good news! But the question remains: what is it really?

Good question.

wybrit

Interesting story. I'm glad you recovered most of the value, but there is certainly a message here that is in direct conflict with the claims I read in a certain recent editorial (author already named above).

TomB

I think that has to be considered a major win for you and the change from RD to RB can happen with any copper coin over time.