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RexfordRexford Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 7, 2016 9:39PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I found these strange markings on Roosevelt while sifting through mint sets. Any idea what could have caused them? They seem to match the pattern on the edges of the plastic protector and are imprinted into the coin. The markings on the edge stretch around to the reverse.

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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it happened at the mint, can it still be post mint damage? (And what is the sound of one hand clapping?)

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Crimping damage.
    You see it once in a while on the mint set coins.
    It would be considered PMD, because it didn't happen during the minting process.

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    The first impression (no pun intended) I got from looking at the image is that whatever machine crimps the plastic also crimped the coin.

    Bingo.



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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PMD. Or ("Packaging" Mint Damage). New term? :)

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree... crimping machine damage (CMD :D ) Cheers, RickO

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2016 12:58PM

    I have to disagree. If the cellophane isn't marred above the dime? and why the separation in the lines? also, the lines on the rim are different (thicker) than the other lines? Oh-h Fred?
    What's puzzling are the fingerprints too?

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    epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭

    Coin hit by the crimper, then bagged.

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2016 1:33PM

    Bag mis-fed into crimping machine, coin hit by crimper, picked up with no gloves [they get hot], then finger printed and re bagged ? :smile:

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Everyone who says it's packaging damage is correct.

    The dime was laying over the 'crimped' area when the sealing
    machine came down. Look at the left side of the photo below
    In God We Trust - that is probably the area where the dime was
    when the sealing occurred. Can't tell for sure, but I am sure
    that the dime was damaged by the machinery - the patterns
    on his head are a match.

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, crimping is the monster here...

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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,579 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a bunch of little bags of SF Mint cents that were sold by the Mint from 1971 through 1973. I found many in there which had this same sort of damage. I assume they took rejects from the Mint sets and put them in the bags instead.

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    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TommyType said:
    If it happened at the mint, can it still be post mint damage? (And what is the sound of one hand clapping?)

    Yes. If it's not damage because of the planchet (planchet error) or the strike (strike error) then it is damage no matter where or how it was done. This is so unusual though that I bet somebody would pay a premium for this "packaging error" lol

    Op, is there a hole in the crimping? Very neat

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    RexfordRexford Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is indeed a section of empty space between the crimping now that I look at it, in the bottom left area of the photo. Sounds like Fred hit it on the mark.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,897 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, when the professor says it is PD, I then agree. I was wrong. Thanks Fred! :)

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PSD/MA Post Strike Damage/Market Acceptable

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