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NEWP - 1849/8 H10C (Images courtesy of Robec)

oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 5, 2016 1:12PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I just got my images back from Bob (robec) and thought that I would share his talent.

photo 1849 H10C obv_03.jpg
photo 1849 H10C rev_03.jpg

The overdate 9/8 is very apparent in this image.

photo 1849 H10C Date.jpg

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The die cracks are amazing.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i like the die cracks as well

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2016 3:04PM

    Cool coin and great photos - thanks for sharing!
    Could you tell us the grade?

    This is the v2 variety. I believe the majority of experts currently call this a 9/6 or more precisely 1849/846,
    although there was a long controversy over whether the last under digit on v2 and v4 was an 8 or 6.
    Interestingly, the PCGS Coin Facts has pages for both 9/6 and 9/8.
    v2 and v4 specimens are shown on both these pages!
    They should really go to a v2/v4/etc. level attribution, instead of continuing the old controversy.

    The NGC varities page uses FS-301 and RPD for v4, and FS-302 and 9/8 for v2, so they have not really corrected the old 9/8 labelling, either.

    Of course, Valentine is not entirely blameless, as he called the v4 9/8.
    Apparently he did not see an early die state specimen which shows the under digit is a 6.

    It's not hard to see the repunched 4 - see the raised bumps on the vertical part of the 4.
    Similarly, the repunched 8/8 is seen by the raised bumps on the 8 (see reference photo below).

    I wonder what is going on in the field left of Ms. Liberty's head?

    The reverse die cracks are really cool.
    They are described in Valentine's book under v2, and the specimen on Coin Facts shows them as well:
    pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/4342 (The MS-65 specimen on the left).

    Example image of the v2, untoned specimen, photo from NGC varieties page:

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice imaging and nice coin.

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  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭

    Excellent attribution and description of the OP's coin by Yosclimber. It is, indeed, an example of the V2 1849/6 half dime, as described and plated by Dr. Daniel W. Valentine in his 1931 reference on the series. The coin is, by its very nature, a late die state, as evidenced by the extensive reverse die cracks. As such, though, the evidence of the under digits has been partially effaced due to die wear. The OP's coin is absolutely stunning, and the photography is excellent. Just the kind of coin I look for.

    Yosclimber asks "I wonder what is going on in the field left of Ms. Liberty's head?". Although it is difficult to ascertain from a two-dimensional photograph, it appears to be simply a pattern in the (gorgeous) toning.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very impressive imaging.... and a nice coin.... Cheers, RickO

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS gave this one an AU58 grade for a slight rub. I am not sure if I want to keep this one or my 1845 H10C for my Everyman Collection.

    "Yosclimber asks "I wonder what is going on in the field left of Ms. Liberty's head?"."

    Yes, it is part of the toning pattern.

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2016 3:35PM

    @MrHalfDime said:
    The coin is, by its very nature, a late die state, as evidenced by the extensive reverse die cracks. As such, though, the evidence of the under digits has been partially effaced due to die wear.

    I believe this implies that your EDS specimen which shows the 6 clearly has an uncracked reverse?
    It would be great to see photos of it!
    Any chance you have some you could share?
    It has gotten a lot easier to upload and display photos in the new forum software.

    P.S. Thanks to this thread, I got excited, read Valentine, Blythe and MrHalfDime's past posts, and scrounged Heritage for more images of the 1849 varieties.
    I found photos for v1, v6 and "v9" (Blythe called it 1849/1849 RPD unlisted v number - the Newman specimen). So only missing v5, v7, and "v10" (Blythe's second RPD) with triple-punched 9.
    Have some of those unlisted v numbers been assigned since the publication of Blythe's book?

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