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Does a Cud have to be connected to the Rim of a coin?

SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, otherwise, it's a die chip...(I think.)

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, a cud needs to include the rim.

    I agree that this would be considered a die chip...a large one at that. However, any bigger and some might consider it an internal die break.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would refer to it as an interior die break, since it's far bigger than what I would consider a chip.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As mentioned above, a Cud has to involve the
    broken edge of the die - this is a large die chip.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭

    I would agree with the other responders here and say that the accepted definition of a 'cud' requires that it connect with the rim, which on this coin it does not. Therefore, it should be classified as an 'interior die break', or chip. Or, in keeping with the completely illogical choice of words for these types of errors (cud ?), perhaps we should term this specific error as a 'goiter'.

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The origin of the word 'cud' goes back to to at least
    the mid-1960's. I believe that Mort Goodman came
    up with the word, because those blobs of metal
    resembled cow's (chewing) Cuds. The name was
    popularized by the national error organization at
    the time, NECA (and CONE), local error coin clubs,
    and in dealers price lists.

    It is as illogical as the term 'Cllp' is - that's a short
    easy word for Incomplete Planchet, and for me,
    Cud is a short, easy word for Detached Piece of
    DieBreak.

    That Die Chip on the '56 is a die chip - simple, two
    words........

    Just my view

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    .
    great die chip -goiter!
    .

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Poor Abe... now he has a goiter..... :D Cheers, RickO

  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    more like a Zenkers

    LCoopie = Les
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    The origin of the word 'cud' goes back to to at least
    the mid-1960's. I believe that Mort Goodman came
    up with the word, because those blobs of metal
    resembled cow's (chewing) Cuds. The name was
    popularized by the national error organization at
    the time, NECA (and CONE), local error coin clubs,
    and in dealers price lists.

    It is as illogical as the term 'Cllp' is - that's a short
    easy word for Incomplete Planchet, and for me,
    Cud is a short, easy word for Detached Piece of
    DieBreak.

    That Die Chip on the '56 is a die chip - simple, two
    words........

    Just my view

    Mort Goodman authored the book "The Design Cud" in the 70's.

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