If you have to have an 1804 dollar but can't will a copy do?
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No, I'd just go without. Makes for great dreams thinking that someday I'll get the call........lol
That looks very nice. Is it a Gallery Mint Museum piece?
Yes it is. I bought both, a proof & an ms copies.
Made by SilverTowne?
Very cool. I'm a big fan of the work by Ron Landis and Joe Rust. Coins from Ron's hand-engraved dies have a lot of character.
These were struck back in 1999. Here's the cover from the newsletter announcing them.
Gallery Mint
Here's an ms copy
I guess copies have their place, but for me I just do without.
I have plenty of other coins that are real
The only 1804 dollar I would want is in the King of Siam Proof set. Otherwise I'm out unless you are giving it away so that I could sell it for a profit and buy some real coins.
I've got a collection of Gallery Mint items, including proof and unc. copies of 1804 dollars.
They didn't cost very much, relative the silver melt value, and I find them mildly amusing,
more so than buying yet another Morgan or Peace dollar would be.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Plus they are great looking copies of real rare coins.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Why? What good are they!! I wouldn't want anything not real!
Well, Viva la difference!
I'd rather have a single Gallery mint item than the whole run of 1965-2015 clad dimes in PCGS holders.
copper nickel and plastic? Why? what good are they if they're not silver?
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
....or any clad coins period...
All kidding aside how can one not like the beauty of a brand new bust dollar or any bust coin real or not real?
Before I owned a mediocre example of the real thing, I bought a Gallery Mint copy of the 1796 half dollar. The thing was decently executed, but it was boring. It's the same as the "kissing you sister" thing. There is just no excitement.
_ It's the same as the "kissing you sister" thing. There is just no excitement._
There's not supposed to be "excitement" when kissing your sister. Just simple, innocent brotherly affection, and that's why I'll plant one on her cheek the couple times a year I get to see her. Doesn't negate or preclude or replace the "excitement" for the wife, or for Real coins.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
As much as I dislike clad coins (only reason I have them is for the Complete Dime thing) I would still have the rather have them than a fake coin that is actually nothing more than bullion with a date of your choice put on it.
While I don't have one of these, I have to say the piece in the OP is very interesting to look at via the photos - much more interesting than a modern clad coin. From an artistic perspective, it's neat that these are struck from hand-engraved dies.
And regarding the bullion comment... at least it's bullion, and not clad
As mentioned above, vive la différence! It would be boring if everyone was interested in the same things.
You're missing the point. At least the clad coin is real and minted the year showing on coin. These copies are as worthless as taking a piece of cardboard cut in a circle and drawing the design you want on it and printing the date you want on it.
Umm... no, not worthless as cardboard. Minimally, they are real silver bullion and worth more than clad dimes out of their condition rarity holders. In addition to silver bullion, there are collectors of the Gallery Mint that provide a numismatic premium which can be much greater than the bullion value.
Numismaticly they are worth nothing. They would be worth bullion, but I don't collect bullion. These are not Bust coins and were not minted in 1804...so to me they are nothing.
Again, why have something that is not real and made yesterday. If people want them fine........I was just answering the question.....they are not for me.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
An old friend grabbed a dozen 1804 dollars from one of the Kabul Chicken St. shops about 8-9 years ago? Back when folks could still walk about and shop... Russ told me he couldn't sell 'em on eBay.. I may take some pics tomorrow and post them. They look as tho they came in on the old silk road...
I view Ron's hand made creations the same way as a painting done "after" one of the old masters. They are VERY well done and a "masterpiece" in their own way.
I was an enthusiastic collector of his works throughout the years. I had them mint some interesting errors that taught me more about spotting real error coins "in the wild".
I was also lucky enough to have visited the mint and be able to watch Ron and Joe work. My friends and I were able to mint our own coins using the methods of Roman times as well as using the screw press they had on hand. We made our own errors during our visit as well as normal strikes. The friendships are lasting and I only wish Ron would come to more shows.
For those not familiar with his work please buy a piece or two and wonder at the skill needed to produce a die from scratch and strike your own "coins".
If you are dead set against buying a reproduction Ron also minted a number of original pieces. A couple of his pattern dollars are really beautiful. He also made a few coin club medals. One of which is the Cincinnati Numismatic Association medal which may be one of his best executed commissions.
Another Landis masterpiece, and what he may be best known for, are his hobo pieces. They are magnificent! As a gift for me he made a banjo playing dragon from the reverse eagle on a bust half dollar.
So, if reproductions from hand made dies and struck on presses very similar to the originals are not your "cup of tea" that is fine, just don't belittle those of us who appreciate genius for what it is.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
It would be nice to win in a raffle or something but nowhere near as exciting as the real thing.
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My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
No one has ever suggested that a $25 to $50 reproduction is "anywhere near as exciting as the real thing"
which would cost a million dollars or more.
Of course it isn't as exciting.
Just exactly as a fantasy 1964 peace dollar is not nearly as exciting (or expensive) as an authentic one would be.
No one is saying either is anything more than a bit of fun
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
I guess I just don't need an 1804 dollar. While I can appreciate the skill involved in making a plausible reproduction, owning one isn't a big enough priority to go out and get one.
Okay, I realize this response is only for those of us older than dirt members who were also registered and active on the predecessor boards around 1999, but here goes...
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I don't aspire to own an 1804 dollar, so not having one is OK with me.
I wouldn't care for a copy either.
I would rather just collect something affordable that I like.
I carry these around as pocket pieces - they are always fun conversation starters to show to non coin collectors. They were mint state when I bought them and they have slowly worn a bit over the years.
i have some gallery mint pieces. they are very nicely made and fun to look at.
I own three 1804 dollars.