What's the Chance this 1908 Indian Cent is Genuine Double Struck? Help appreciated

Smittys

AUandAG

Sure looks like it is and rotated and off center?

bob

MedalCollector

I don't like it. Looks like the second strike was made with a counterfeit die.

joeykoins

Yes, to me, that does look as if you do have the double strike. Maybe, Fred will chime in to determine the outcome of your coin? O-o-h-h F-r-e-d?

dcarr

I believe it is a home-made "vice" job, made by impressing an Indian Head cent into some other metal, and then pressing that metal into an Indian Head cent. Note that the main impression has the proper coin-flip orientation. But the secondary ghost image has the incorrect medal-turn orientation (medallic alignment).

CaptHenway

What dcarr said. A vice job.

ricko

Interesting... and thanks Dan... that is a good pick up .... Cheers, RickO

FredWeinberg

Fake - with 'counterfeit' dies.

joeykoins

Well, there you go! Question answered by the professor, thanks Fred.

pmac

@dcarr said:
I believe it is a home-made "vice" job, made by impressing an Indian Head cent into some other metal, and then pressing that metal into an Indian Head cent. Note that the main impression has the proper coin-flip orientation. But the secondary ghost image has the incorrect medal-turn orientation (medallic alignment).

Even though I think Dan makes the best non-mint products, I think he's wrong on this one. Both obv and rev are about 90 degrees clockwise with the "double striking", although not exactly lined up. I'll defer to Fred's opinion, for whatever reason.

AUandAG

Good thing I don't collect such coins........hate to waste money!

messydesk

@pmac said:

@dcarr said:
I believe it is a home-made "vice" job, made by impressing an Indian Head cent into some other metal, and then pressing that metal into an Indian Head cent. Note that the main impression has the proper coin-flip orientation. But the secondary ghost image has the incorrect medal-turn orientation (medallic alignment).

Even though I think Dan makes the best non-mint products, I think he's wrong on this one. Both obv and rev are about 90 degrees clockwise with the "double striking", although not exactly lined up. I'll defer to Fred's opinion, for whatever reason.

The fake dies are almost at a medal turn. If you turn the coin over with a coin turn, the top of the fake obverse and reverse stay on the right side of the coin, which would be a medal turn of those dies.

CaptHenway

@pmac said:

@dcarr said:
I believe it is a home-made "vice" job, made by impressing an Indian Head cent into some other metal, and then pressing that metal into an Indian Head cent. Note that the main impression has the proper coin-flip orientation. But the secondary ghost image has the incorrect medal-turn orientation (medallic alignment).

Even though I think Dan makes the best non-mint products, I think he's wrong on this one. Both obv and rev are about 90 degrees clockwise with the "double striking", although not exactly lined up. I'll defer to Fred's opinion, for whatever reason.

Fred is agreeing with Dan, as did I. Perhaps you did not understand what a "vice job" is. It involves making a pair of false dies from two sheets of metal in a vice, turning the coin and squeezing it again to emboss the coin into the impressions made during the first squeeze.