Buffalo help needed........1917-D
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This is the reverse of a 1917-D Buff. Can I get some opinions on the strike and condition.......The obverse is a strong XF. Is this reverse struck with a very worn die or maybe struck thru something? I don't recall ever seeing a 17-D looking so mushy but I defer to the experts in the series.....
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I am sorry to say but that looks like an import cast copy.
That's quite an opinion!!
Here's the obverse, complete with a cracked planchet:
I would have to agree with Clarkbar. It does not look genuine to me.
two feather also? Horn looks weird, tail looks weird. Eye is weird looking also. I am far from being an expert on these but I would say not genuine also.
Almost looks acid etched the details are so mushy. The obv rim at 5:00 worn in that far is quite unusual. When do you ever see that on a nearly XF coin? And it also appears to have a wire rim showing at 6:00. ????
Agree---something is not right here.
Looks like its had a acid trip. Coins like this with a dull grey look and lightly porous surfaces and I bet weird feel in hand and a dull thud when dropped on a surface often have been rinsed in muratic acid.
coins with dark red or crusty corrosion from being in the ground often look like this after acid sometimes electrolysis will cause a similar effect. Micro porosity and soft details well below the apparent grade are indicators.
The coin is real just the surfaces are treated with acid at least in my opinion.
Cast Counterfeit IMO
My first impression is counterfeit. The surfaces just look too odd.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I would say its been soaked in acid too long. I've used acid to treat very badly corroded buffs and some have this type of look once all the corrosion has lifted
That and I don't I don't think counterfeit with the planchet de - lamination.
A very likely possibility.> @Jinx86 said:
A very likely possibility.
IMO, counterfeit! ...The rim is no good.
The rim really bothers me....not sure whether acid washed or counterfeit... but looking at the rim, I would lean to counterfeit. Cheers, RickO
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i concur with acid. i've had an evolution with coins like these in many different series and i called them all fake at the beginning but i've come to the conclusion they are not. i will say they look quite similar to some bad fakes and separating the 2 sometimes is a challenge but one needs to study them well in case a key-date, high grade or monster type comes along like this that can be authenticated one way or the other.
also the rev rim finning is not seen on many fakes that i've viewed. fwiw.
i'm not certain how far through a cracked flan must go to reach that designation. defunct stock via improper metal mixture leading to delaminations, cracked flans, clamshells, split flans, etc are neat in their own way.
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Looks to me like it has a coating of very fine porosity but not necessarily caused by acid-more like it's been in the ground or something.